AE/Envoy Pilots Reject AIP

[RJcasualty]

Assuming ALPA holds their ground, this just reinforces my opinion that Eagle and ExpressJet are well on the way to becoming the Twin Sons of Comair.

...and we'll have fun doing it. Thanks for your best wishes.

 

[Hope777]

It's OK, we will grow our Ground Handling Business....  and find another place for the EMB Jets, PSA???
 
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12361115/1/american-eagle-president-forget-planes-well-grow-ground-handling-business.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

 

[mstrmoe]

All you MQ guys, I really am sorry that it went down like this, I hope it ends up for the best for you all. 

 

[FM2436]

Parker May choose the place the EMB175s at Piedmont. A decision needs to be made regarding Piedmont's fleet of aging turboprops. What is the likely hood of Piedmont's pilots transitioning from a turboprop to a EMB-175 type rating, or does it really matter. The new Piedmont could simply hired already EMB-175 type rated pilots.

 

[RJcasualty]

Parker May choose the place the EMB175s at Piedmont. A decision needs to be made regarding Piedmont's fleet of aging turboprops. What is the likely hood of Piedmont's pilots transitioning from a turboprop to a EMB-175 type rating, or does it really matter. The new Piedmont could simply hired already EMB-175 type rated pilots.

They can knock themselves out to make that work. The stain will remain.

 

[eolesen]

There is a shortage of pilots, Eagle pilots want to play tough, and there is no other carrier or source of pilots that can quickly fix the pilot shortage.

Both Republic and Skywest have made comments in the past few days that they're not experiencing a shortage of pilots due to the new FAA standards, but that they're admittedly not finding as many who meet their own hiring standards. If they hire a few folks they wouldn't have a year ago, they can meet their commitments.

Assuming Parker follows thru, the majors might cherry pick a few guys that would have gone there anyway, but the rest will wind up going to work somewhere. Most likely, they'll wind up at PSA, Republic, Mesa, or Skywest. If they didn't like what AA was offering, they're probably not going to be too happy at those other carriers.
 

This just adds one more major strategic challenge to Parker's plate.

Perhaps, but it's one they knew was likely to happen, and I'd be willing to bet the contingency plan has been sitting on a shelf since before the bankruptcy filing.

Planning for events like grounding an specific aircraft fleet or an entire regional are one of the reasons the scheduling guys have doomsday models. Nobody wants to see those things happen, but you can bet your last pão de queijo that AA planned for this before going in with a LAFO.

Worst case, AA winds up putting some 319's into markets which could support two a day instead of 3 or 4 70 seaters, and they start paring back fourth and third tier cities who have service to multiple hubs. A few of the tier four cities get eliminated altogether.

Heck, it even gives Parker cover to back out of some of the agreements to the states on maintaining service levels... labor disputes fall under force majeure, and there isn't an AG who would be able to argue otherwise. Those promises were largely unenforceable to begin with.

 

[RJcasualty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Ej-9XT1aI&feature=youtu.be

 

[RJcasualty]

Looking for an airline to fly 60 EMB-175 aircraft (desperate) (DFW-ORD-JFK-MIA)


Hello there, here at the world's largest airline we are aggressively seeking an airline to staff and fly our state of the art, Embraer 175 turbo jet aircraft. These aircraft are on the way from Brazil and just waiting for your airline and all of the excess pilots that you have trained and on property (that also possess ATP minimums) to fly them. We are willing to pay precisely the bottom dollar that Delta pays for their feed, so please keep that in mind when bidding for this flying. Did we mention how shiny these jets are? They are extremely shiny and they have that new plane smell that pilots love. Pilots would probably fly these jets for free, they are THAT nice.

I am looking forward to hearing from you about your ability to fly these planes that are arriving. It is very cost prohibitive to have these jets sitting without pilots, so let's make a deal! Contact me anytime. Seriously. Anytime. I'm desperate here. My ascendency up the mAAnagerial ladder depends on this. I may already be screwed. Ugh. Please call. Please? Hello?

 

[eolesen]

Cute, yet possibly overplayed...

Did you ever stop to think why AA didn't push harder in bankruptcy with regard to Eagle?

Chew on that a bit before responding, schatzi. That testosterone rush probably feels great right now, but you're going feel a little differently if you wake up a month from now and realize Parker called your bluff...

 

[Flying low]

From Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2014/02/13/with-pilot-shortages-is-it-any-surprise-american-eagle-union-rejected-givebacks/?partner=yahootix

 

[RJcasualty]

From Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2014/02/13/with-pilot-shortages-is-it-any-surprise-american-eagle-union-rejected-givebacks/?partner=yahootix

Thank You.

 

[AirwAr]

They can knock themselves out to make that work. The stain will remain.

 
A couple of general union questions:
 
1)  Do the pilot groups at the regional carriers work together?  Can they?
 
2)  If these aircraft go to another regional and this regional needs pilots...and they end up hiring AE pilots...would the AE pilots go to the bottom of the new company's pay scale?

 

[WorldTraveler]

the chances are really high that AE pilots will have no problem finding employment with mainline or at least national carriers. Virtually every large jet carrier is hiring at heavy levels.

The chances that these aircraft can be moved to another carrier and properly staffed is very low if AE pilots decide they don't want to fly at the rates that AAG is willing to pay.

AE (MQ) provides roughly 3/4 of all of AA's regional feed and is roughly equal in size to US' entire regional operation.

 

[RJcasualty]

 
A couple of general union questions:
 
1)  Do the pilot groups at the regional carriers work together?  Can they?
 
2)  If these aircraft go to another regional and this regional needs pilots...and they end up hiring AE pilots...would the AE pilots go to the bottom of the new company's pay scale?

AE regional pilots are represented by ALPA. ALPA also has representation at some mainline carriers. That situation represents a conflict of interest. Regional pilots "working together" would imply a regional general strike--- European style--- which is impossible under Federal labor law. Management has taken advantage of these laws by pitting the regional pilots against each other as carriers outsource feed. AE pilots as free agents would start at the bottom of another carriers seniority list and pay scale. A merger or acquisition between regionals would require a fair and equitable pilot seniority formula subject to arbitration if no agreement is reached

 

[RJcasualty]

AE regional pilots are represented by ALPA. ALPA also has representation at some mainline carriers. That situation represents a conflict of interest. Regional pilots "working together" would imply a regional general strike--- European style--- which is impossible under Federal labor law. Management has taken advantage of these laws by pitting the regional pilots against each other as carriers outsource feed. AE pilots as free agents would start at the bottom of another carriers seniority list and pay scale. A merger or acquisition between regionals would require a Federally mandated fair and equitable pilot seniority formula subject to arbitration if no agreement is reached