ACARS

[luvn737s]

I can attest to the fact that WN does do maintenance on their a/c. In fact last fall in LAS I saw two of their finest with the number one engine all opened up and they were down in the muck feverishly working to fix their beloved Boeing.

But I do think the number 2 was still running and the captain was tapping his watch, whatever that means.

 

[Some Clown]

I can attest to the fact that WN does do maintenance on their a/c. In fact last fall in LAS I saw two of their finest with the number one engine all opened up and they were down in the muck feverishly working to fix their beloved Boeing.

But I do think the number 2 was still running and the captain was tapping his watch, whatever that means.

And you saw this while aircraft spotting, hoping you would be recalled from furlough soon so you could get back in the action?

 

[tulswa]

Star Power,

Let go of your hate of SWA. You will sleep better.

I have no doubt that a small number of pilots at any airline occasionally fail to properly document maintenance issues properly. Some are intentional, most probably are not. For you to imply that SWA has a policy or culture of this napkin nonsense has no basis in fact.

Did you see the logbook. If your story is accurate, the napkin comments may very well have been transferred to the aircraft's log.

 

[star power]

Star Power,

Let go of your hate of SWA. You will sleep better.

I have no doubt that a small number of pilots at any airline occasionally fail to properly document maintenance issues properly. Some are intentional, most probably are not. For you to imply that SWA has a policy or culture of this napkin nonsense has no basis in fact.

Did you see the logbook. If your story is accurate, the napkin comments may very well have been transferred to the aircraft's log.

I don't dislike WN, SATO send me that way, I would perfer a routing that work for me, and me make the choices what carries to travel on.
Next time SATO send me on WN, I will take a shot of the napkin with the problem written on it and ask if I could see the aircraft log, if the answer is no, I can contact my friend at the FAA and he can check, He does check rides. Have a safe day.

 

[Rhino]

Luvn, please don't accuse WN of requesting flight clearance "early." Such behavior would be unconscionable!!

Star, good luck going up to the cockpit and asking to see the logbook on any carrier. What were you doing in a WN cockpit, anyway? Good way to meet airport security.

The napkin thing is new to me. Never seen it. Either face-to-face with mx at a mx base, in the book, or both.

 

[WNJETFIXER]

I don't dislike WN, SATO send me that way, I would perfer a routing that work for me, and me make the choices what carries to travel on.
Next time SATO send me on WN, I will take a shot of the napkin with the problem written on it and ask if I could see the aircraft log, if the answer is no, I can contact my friend at the FAA and he can check, He does check rides. Have a safe day.

You're a BONEHEAD. Stick to things you have a clue about. This is not one of them.

 

[ramper_in_las]

And you saw this while aircraft spotting, hoping you would be recalled from furlough soon so you could get back in the action?

I can respect most opinions that are written in a civil manor but your post are nothing but flame bait! :down:

on a lighter note instead of all this BS from Star.... wasnt Southwest founded on a napkin anyway... Thanks Herb

 

[Tanker]

In my 10+ years at SWA the only napkins I've seen in the cockpits with writing on them are those with the ATIS and the ones with the pax count from the F/As. I have lost track of the number of maint write ups I've seen in the logbooks.

 

[star power]

I can respect most opinions that are written in a civil manor but your post are nothing but flame bait! :down:

on a lighter note instead of all this BS from Star.... wasnt Southwest founded on a napkin anyway... Thanks Herb

My personnel are happy and safe for those halo drops, then they follow the policies and procedures, not napkins, I under stand UA use the ACARS for their electronic A/C log. so if ACARS can do OOOI, STA weather reports, and messages, what else ? Maybe I should go to UA, AA, DL, NW, MX, AT, F9, B6, HP/US, AW, SKYWEST/ASA and TS for info on ACARS, since WN is slow, maybe WN is waiting for E-mail, its low cost.

 

[KCFlyer]

My personnel are happy and safe for those halo drops, then they follow the policies and procedures, not napkins, I under stand UA use the ACARS for their electronic A/C log. so if ACARS can do OOOI, STA weather reports, and messages, what else ? Maybe I should go to UA, AA, DL, NW, MX, AT, F9, B6, HP/US, AW, SKYWEST/ASA and TS for info on ACARS, since WN is slow, maybe WN is waiting for E-mail, its low cost.

You seem pretty certain about this napkin thing. Or are you making an ASSumption that the napkin was the sole piece of communication. As far as ACARS...Southwest I think uses something called a "radio" for communication as well. Sometimes, they might have write ups on a napkin and RADIO the information on the napkin ahead to maintenance so that a crew is waiting on arrival. Stone age, I know. And all the paperwork is handled out of sight of your eyes. That's just a theory on my part, but your posts tend to portray "napkingate" as fact.

 

[Some Clown]

I can respect most opinions that are written in a civil manor but your post are nothing but flame bait! :down:

You're right... My apologies to those who I offended.. I will try to tone it down in the future...

 

[star power]

You seem pretty certain about this napkin thing. Or are you making an ASSumption that the napkin was the sole piece of communication. As far as ACARS...Southwest I think uses something called a "radio" for communication as well. Sometimes, they might have write ups on a napkin and RADIO the information on the napkin ahead to maintenance so that a crew is waiting on arrival. Stone age, I know. And all the paperwork is handled out of sight of your eyes. That's just a theory on my part, but your posts tend to portray "napkingate" as fact.

Out of 3 VHF's, I would thing one would work, No VHF 3 at WN no ACARS, Radio ahead to maintenance, that cost to much, napkins are cheap. the maintenance at WN must be stealthly, and maybe the documentation. Its like a halo drop and a G-N-G. Happy Holidays.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Out of 3 VHF's, I would thing one would work,

Oh, I think the evidence is that at least one would be working. Gotta talk to ATC some how since smoke signals don't work too well....

No VHF 3 at WN no ACARS,

Not quite right - two radios will work just fine with ACARS. One for ATC (#1), another (#2) for ACARS, other uses (ATIS, company communications, etc), & backup in case of failure of #1.

Radio ahead to maintenance, that cost to much,

I'd really love to see the cost breakdown of a radio transmission, expecially as compared to an ACARS transmission.

On the general subject of on-time statistics, anyone who really knows ACARS knows how to "fudge" the ACARS times, so just having ACARS doesn't necessarily mean that the out/in reporting is any more accurate than times called in.

Then there's the whole issue of the Express carriers that call in their times. If calling in times means those times are suspect, what does that do to the legitimacy of the times at carriers with Express operations (which WN doesn't have)?

On the subject of reporting maintenance discrepancies, I strongly suspect that an analysis of writeups at just about any carrier would show a surprising tendancy for thing to break coming into a maintenance station. Not major stuff that affects safety, but all the little things that aren't that important in the bigger scheme of things.

Jim

 

[star power]

Oh, I think the evidence is that at least one would be working. Gotta talk to ATC some how since smoke signals don't work too well....
Not quite right - two radios will work just fine with ACARS. One for ATC (#1), another (#2) for ACARS, other uses (ATIS, company communications, etc), & backup in case of failure of #1.
I'd really love to see the cost breakdown of a radio transmission, expecially as compared to an ACARS transmission.

On the general subject of on-time statistics, anyone who really knows ACARS knows how to "fudge" the ACARS times, so just having ACARS doesn't necessarily mean that the out/in reporting is any more accurate than times called in.

Then there's the whole issue of the Express carriers that call in their times. If calling in times means those times are suspect, what does that do to the legitimacy of the times at carriers with Express operations (which WN doesn't have)?

On the subject of reporting maintenance discrepancies, I strongly suspect that an analysis of writeups at just about any carrier would show a surprising tendancy for thing to break coming into a maintenance station. Not major stuff that affects safety, but all the little things that aren't that important in the bigger scheme of things.

Jim

you must be pretty quick adjusting the VHF 1 selector knob, most selector I know of have two, the on side and the stby, and you probility don't let your F/O touch that knob on the VHF 2, their just suppose to set there waiting for you to reach 60, or have a heart attack, god forbid, so which freq will you select 1)OPS, 2)ATIS, switch to PA like a good CAPT, switch back to VHF, 3)GND, 4)Tower, 5)DEP, 6)ATC Lcl, 7)ATC CEN, switch to PA to maybe inform the PAX their routing today and the seat belts sign be turn off or staying on for turbulance 8)being hand off to next the ATC CEN, 9)ATC Lcl, 10)ATIS, PA again for seat belts and F/A to get the cabin ready for landing, 11)ARR, 12)Tower, 13)GND, 14)OPS. If you permit the F/O to use the VHF 2, what selection ? Let said 1)OPS, 2)ATIS, 3)GND, skip 4, 5)DEP, 6) ATC Lcl, 7)ATC CEN, 8)being hand off to next ATC CEN, 9)ATC Lcl, 10)ATIS, 11)ARR, skip 12, 13)GND, 14)OPS. the PA is the CAPT's, except when the hand mic, boom mic and the handset are inop,you could put on your O2 mask and play Halloween, we don't need that VHF 3, or that VHF 2, is only for backup, just like the F/O, VHF 1 works find, so next time the VHF 2 goes bellies up, don't write it in the a/c log, put it on a napkin. Those VHF receivers cost about $35,000 new, and about $7,000 to $15,000 repaired by outsourcing, you can save the co. so change. I love to see that C/P management.

 

[KCFlyer]

Star...If I fly US, I'd rather fly with Jim than you.