Abandoned Gates

[WorldTraveler]

Since the new neighbors spent $100M on a new connector bridge to their other terminal, I doubt if there is any chance they will be leaving - or could be forced to leave.

 

[jcw]

I wonder how you could move airlines around at LGA to consolidate - for example - can United move to US Airways gates and US move to United Gates. UA is split. Also for example, AA runs RJ's to CLT which can stop.

In CLT AA can give up their gates and move JB to AA gates giving US/AA the entire D concourse.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The chances are very high that AA/US will not be able to increase the number of gates they have via the merger; there are already very few gates at CLT that US does not control so the number of gates AA controls -regardless of where they are located - might be lost in order to allow additional gates for new carriers.

AA and UA could very well choose to cooperate to help each other out in various cities, although there will be a cost; split operations are expensive and bad for customer service. In some cities such as ATL, the T gates which AA and UA both use are more desirable than where CO and US are/were located on D.

Consolidation may help improve some aspects of the way the industry operates but a lot of details such as co-location of gates and fleet harmonization for merger partners that weren't even envisioned decades ago is a lot hard to accomplish.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The chances are very high that AA/US will not be able to increase the number of gates they have via the merger; there are already very few gates at CLT that US does not control so the number of gates AA controls -regardless of where they are located - might be lost in order to allow additional gates for new carriers.

AA and UA could very well choose to cooperate to help each other out in various cities, although there will be a cost; split operations are expensive and bad for customer service. In some cities such as ATL, the T gates which AA and UA both use are more desirable than where CO and US are/were located on D.

Consolidation may help improve some aspects of the way the industry operates but a lot of details such as co-location of gates and fleet harmonization for merger partners that weren't even envisioned decades ago is a lot hard to accomplish.

It is easy to figure out what gates Parker will choose to keep or trade for. Based on past performance, just find the gates that are the farthest from the main terminal...that will be our gates.

Greeter

 

[necigrad]

Since the new neighbors spent $100M on a new connector bridge to their other terminal, I doubt if there is any chance they will be leaving - or could be forced to leave.

Depends on how things are structured. Here in LAS they do periodic bidding by the airlines based on capacity. Since WN in #1 here, if they decided to change gates they'd FORCE all the displaced airlines to move. Capitol improvements might add reimbursement or something to that, but I'm not sure. If so it would likely be a prorated reimbursement.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The Port Authority doesn't operate that way and neither do most airports.

In fact, this is what the PA says about Terminal C

Terminal D
Terminal D was constructed by Delta Air Lines at the east end of the airport. The terminal, which has 10 gates, opened in June 1983. In 2010, Delta Air Lines began to improve the terminal's food, retail, and concessions options, and the Port Authority opened a Welcome Center on the arrivals level, In late 2011, Delta took over the lease of the US Airways Terminal (now known as Terminal C) with plans to expand its operations.

http://www.panynj.gov/airports/lga-facts-info.html

sounds like US is the one who now leases gates from DL.

 

[jimntx]

It is easy to figure out what gates Parker will choose to keep or trade for. Based on past performance, just find the gates that are the farthest from the main terminal...that will be our gates.

Greeter

Sorry, but AA already has those gates.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

I wonder how you could move airlines around at LGA to consolidate - for example - can United move to US Airways gates and US move to United Gates. UA is split. Also for example, AA runs RJ's to CLT which can stop.

i think that all of UAL and Air Candad can fit in D (deltas old) but Delta cant fit all togther in C (old US Term) So, any chance that UA and AC will go to D, new AA will take all of C and Delta will go to the main terminal? I suppose DL would rather keep its split ops between C and D, just to keep AA from having all of C?

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, DL just spent $100M to build a connector based on the terminal arrangement that was agreed to in the slot swap and then has followed that by terminal improvements in both C and D. They have no incentive to undo what they have already started.

 

[jcw]

Agree on DL - is there enough gate space for SW, JB, NK to move to the Marine Terminal DL could move its shuttle to Terminal C - In Terminal 2 - move UA to Concourse A (leaving Star Alliance in Concourse A) Concourse B could be for other airlines along with the Marine Terminal and US/AA using the D & C concourses?

 

[jimntx]

Since all of the gate allocations have been determined here, isn't it a shame that no one on this forum will be consulted?

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes... the original proposal re: terminal swaps at LGA was for US to take over the MAT but DL chose to keep its Shuttle operations - which include LGA-ORD at the MAT.
Many passengers prefer the relative isolation of the MAT and the ease to get in/out. DL doesn't connect traffic to/from the Shuttle to its other flights at LGA.

Thus, it is not likely that DL will move any of its operations and will be spread out between the MAT, C, and D.

It is possible that DL could participate in other swaps such as in ATL where DL could get something else in other cities but LGA will not likely be a city where DL will consolidate its operations.

 

[jcw]

Since all of the gate allocations have been determined here, isn't it a shame that no one on this forum will be consulted?

Bless your heart

 

[nycbusdriver]

We've all left out how PHL will handle the merger of the two carriers.

I predict that AA and US will stay exactly where they are and only the signage will change.

(This after countless, sleepless nights trying to come up with a cohesive, intelligent prophecy on this very important matter.)

 

[jimntx]

Bless your heart

Just trying to acknowledge the genius we all display on this forum. And, it all goes to waste. It's a given that backpack bricks never have an idea worth considering. When management wants your opinion, they'll first tell you what your opinion is; so, there's no need to worry.