AAA ALPA Topic 8/31/07 - 9/06/07

[exB717Flyer]

Next year when this thing is still separate and the decision is finally made by your side to enter section 6 talks, will you want the East's support?

I don't expect our side to enter Section 6 because I don't expect the Company to change its desire for a combined operation.

Bottom line is you want our seniority at any cost and we aren't going to budge.

Huh? Bottom line is we entered into binding arbitration fully expecting it to be binding. Just because you don't like the result doesn't give you the right to insult us for wanting to uphold it.

It's amazing for a group that would never want to come East and fly our bases or equipment, how you hold the Nicalou award up as the first priority.

As long as you're "amazed" at others who wish to uphold legal processes you will always be bitter and unhappy. Sad for you.

Is your frustration really a failure in JNC talks, or the fact that Damn Lottery office(East Seniority), won't open and let you cash that lottery ticket(Nicalou).

Nope, my frustration is your sense of entitlement and failure to think rationally.

 

[BottomFeeder]

Nice try. The stock option issue is being arbitrated because the AWA MEC believes it's covered under the Transition Agreement. Your support would be nice but isn't required.

As far as supporting pay parity you ask us to support a negotiation process outside of the required JNC process. Your side is in violation so don't expect us to join you. The medium for negotiating pay parity (and anything else your hearts desire) is the JNC. As long as you hold us hostage by fighting the Nicolau Award you shouldn't dare ask our side for anything.

Here we go again folk

GREED

The AWA MEC :

Give me, give me, give me..... Mine, mine, mine

 

[BottomFeeder]

Nice try. The stock option issue is being arbitrated because the AWA MEC believes it's covered under the Transition Agreement. Your support would be nice but isn't required.

As far as supporting pay parity you ask us to support a negotiation process outside of the required JNC process. Your side is in violation so don't expect us to join you. The medium for negotiating pay parity (and anything else your hearts desire) is the JNC. As long as you hold us hostage by fighting the Nicolau Award you shouldn't dare ask our side for anything.

Ironic that AWA likes to throw the LOA93 thing around.

Then they want what is in LOA93

401K
Profitsharing
Stock options
70 Million payout
and more

AWA MEC motto:
I feel the need for greed

 

[USA320Pilot]

To: All USAirways pilots
From: U S Airline Pilots Association

Subject: Election Cards

Gentlemen,

We are now making our final push to get a signed card from everyone who would like to move forward in our effort to replace ALPA at USAirways. Our current card count of 2209 is getting very close to the number we need to carry a successful election. It is vitally important that everyone who has not sent their cards in to do so now. The clock is ticking and we need to move forward to the next phase of submitting the cards to the Labor Relations Board. If you need more information to make your decision then check our website, attend one of the upcoming USAPA road shows or call one of us personally. Get the information you need any way you can but make your decision and send the card as soon as possible.

USAPA’s bedrock principle is that you, the pilots, will lead and provide direction to our new union. We are asking you to now assert your leadership role by taking any opportunity you can to promote USAPA to the other pilots who may be struggling with their decision. In short, we need each and every one of you to assume a leadership role.

Fraternally,
Leadership Committee
USAPA

 

[BottomFeeder]

To: All USAirways pilots
From: U S Airline Pilots Association

Subject: Election Cards

Gentlemen,

We are now making our final push to get a signed card from everyone who would like to move forward in our effort to replace ALPA at USAirways. Our current card count of 2209 is getting very close to the number we need to carry a successful election. It is vitally important that everyone who has not sent their cards in to do so now. The clock is ticking and we need to move forward to the next phase of submitting the cards to the Labor Relations Board. If you need more information to make your decision then check our website, attend one of the upcoming USAPA road shows or call one of us personally. Get the information you need any way you can but make your decision and send the card as soon as possible.

USAPA’s bedrock principle is that you, the pilots, will lead and provide direction to our new union. We are asking you to now assert your leadership role by taking any opportunity you can to promote USAPA to the other pilots who may be struggling with their decision. In short, we need each and every one of you to assume a leadership role.

Fraternally,
Leadership Committee
USAPA

Seems like at least 2209 of the vocal minority "had enough yet" pilots are ready.


But wait....... There is no way this is possible according to:

767JETZ
AWA320
Junebug172
AWA MEC
etc,etc,etc

 

[flycrazy77]

.... This will formally begin the process to simultaneously remove ALPA from both the US Airways and AWA property with the West pilots the soon-to-be minority party of the new union and union "imposition" about to occur.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

The idea has been brought forth that the west side create a Single Carrier with Piedmont and PSA. If it happens, which appears very possible, it would trigger a vote. Guess what that would mean for the east side..... 😱

 

[BottomFeeder]

The idea has been brought forth that the west side create a Single Carrier with Piedmont and PSA. If it happens, which appears very possible, it would trigger a vote. Guess what that would mean for the east side..... 😱

That is awesome and I hope the Piedmont and PSA guys like the relative slotting with the AWA guys and gals.

 

[flycrazy77]

That is awesome and I hope the Piedmont and PSA guys like the relative slotting with the AWA guys and gals.

I think the idea sounds like a good one, regardless of how the slotting goes. The east side has done everything they can to avoid dealing with the flow-through situation as written in the contract, while the west side has been generally supportive of it. It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out. <_<

 

[Lunvnsat]

I dont get it.

If the Usairways pilots are so experienced, how are they making pathetic wages? Shouldn't more experience equal more pay? By my calculations you guys should settle for no less than $568/hr.

I mean you do have the experience and long suffering so the pay should equate to your high level of expetise.

You guys rock. Go East!!

They'd have you believe they are experienced. When in actuality many have been furloughed multiple times and have length of service of less than 7 years. These are the same folks who would have fellow employees (flight attendents, CSR's, Mechanics) believe that they are entitled to DOH ahead of a Westie with 10 to 15 years "active" service.

Experience (10 years versus 6 1/2)...... You make the call.

 

[flycrazy77]

They'd have you believe they are experienced. When in actuality many have been furloughed multiple times and have length of service of less than 7 years. These are the same folks who would have fellow employees (flight attendents, CSR's, Mechanics) believe that they are entitled to DOH ahead of a Westie with 10 to 15 years "active" service.

Experience (10 years versus 6 1/2)...... You make the call.

My guess is that the post you qouted had a tinge of sarcasm in it....to say the least. You're right on in that, in many cases, the hire dates of the easties have nothing to do with their experience, having served only a portion of those years on the job. The east side think they're above and beyond all else, and until their top-end guys retire and get out, this holier-than-thou attitude will linger. The culture won't change until these two sides merge and the old bastards move on.

 

[OldpropGuy]

The idea has been brought forth that the west side create a Single Carrier with Piedmont and PSA. If it happens, which appears very possible, it would trigger a vote. Guess what that would mean for the east side..... 😱

This sounds good to me!

The recent display by AAA, refusing to accept the binding arbitration decision, is an excellent example of the narcistic attitude the wholly-owneds have faced for eternity!

How does it go? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

 

[N924PS]

My guess is that the post you qouted had a tinge of sarcasm in it....to say the least. You're right on in that, in many cases, the hire dates of the easties have nothing to do with their experience, having served only a portion of those years on the job. The east side think they're above and beyond all else, and until their top-end guys retire and get out, this holier-than-thou attitude will linger. The culture won't change until these two sides merge and the old bastards move on.

Except the old bastards won't be moving on. The Age 60 Rule will be changed soon and I will have the pleasure of flying with you youngsters.

 

[Mr Furlough]

They'd have you believe they are experienced. When in actuality many have been furloughed multiple times and have length of service of less than 7 years. These are the same folks who would have fellow employees (flight attendents, CSR's, Mechanics) believe that they are entitled to DOH ahead of a Westie with 10 to 15 years "active" service.

Experience (10 years versus 6 1/2)...... You make the call.

Now this is a ridicules post. Care to venture a guess as to how many pilots we are talking about here? Take a look at the seniority list and you wouldn't find many of them. Further, I have worked with these individuals first hand, and yes, you would be hard pressed to find better professional pilots than these-anywhere.

Oh, by the way, these individuals have paid more dues towards the survival of this company than you ever will. A little appreciation for the sacrifices these pilots laid down wouldn't kill you.

 

[Mr Furlough]

The idea has been brought forth that the west side create a Single Carrier with Piedmont and PSA. If it happens, which appears very possible, it would trigger a vote. Guess what that would mean for the east side..... 😱

I would say that in this current environment, that this would be a very bad thing for our west pilots. And I for one would appose it on your behalf. Think about it. Should the east make a successful move to decertify ALPA. than the majority vote within ALPA would become that of the regionals. Now tell me, would you like to be lumped in with the wholly owneds while they control your union?

Flow threw would merely be the start. Add in flow threw with DOH and you've got a real mess. And that is one thing that Nicolau didn't award you-but he has suggested that this type of leap frogging is perfectly alright.

No my friend....this is a bad thing.

 

[dariencc]

They'd have you believe they are experienced. When in actuality many have been furloughed multiple times and have length of service of less than 7 years. These are the same folks who would have fellow employees (flight attendents, CSR's, Mechanics) believe that they are entitled to DOH ahead of a Westie with 10 to 15 years "active" service.

Experience (10 years versus 6 1/2)...... You make the call.

This is what happens when you form your opinions from nothing but forum posts.

The East position before the arbitrator was not Date-of-Hire. It was Length-of-Service.

In your example above, the Westie would get credit for his 10 or 15 years. The Eastie would receive credit for his less than 7 years. In other words, your example is bogus and demonstrates that you don't know what you are talking about. A more reality based example is that of the 18 year Eastie F/Os, with no furlough time, who were placed behind new hire probationary Westie pilots.

I hope you are not a pilot here because that would mean that you had access to but never bothered to read any of the relevant documents during this important process.

Say hello to the USAPA.