AA JFK Cargo
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More than FED Ex or UPS. Going to assume that most it was on the Widebodies flying those routes the analyst claims AA was losing all that money on.
You're right - it's free money; cargo certainly doesn't cause the plane to burn any extra fuel (currently near $3/gal) or require any extra bodies to handle on the ground.
Kev3188
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Don't both FX and UPS have fairly large operations at EWR instead?
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From the dept. of comparative statistics, (based on traffic reports)
1. AA's cargo division is about 75% of the size of DL's and DL's is about 80% of the size of UA's....
2. If you look at cargo ton miles produced in relation to total ASM's, DL carries about 3% less cargo than AA and AA carries about 15% less cargo than UA....
AA and UA both have higher percentages of 777 and/or 744s in their fleets which are better cargo carriers than the 767 which makes up more than half of DL's int'l fleet.... on the other hand, it would appear that DL and UA's presence in Asia gives them an advantage if for no other reason than that Asian cargo flies further than Latin and London cargo, where undoubtedly the majority of AA's cargo network is concentrated...
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It would also appear that AA's cargo division is more concentrated in its core global markets including JFK than is either DL or UA... so it makes sense that AA does better than its peers in NYC relative to its capacity.
BTW, CO and AA carry almost identical amounts of cargo to/from NYC... and Fedex carries more than 3X more cargo than AA or CO... so they do indeed focus their cargo operation at EWR.
http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/MAR2011_REG.PDF
Cargo operations at passenger airlines are generally not charged for the cost of producing the ASMs - thus it is often considered "free revenue" but cargo obviously has its own specific costs, including the new building mentioned here....
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AA just reported its May traffic results and shows a 6.6% decrease in cargo ton miles....and down 2.2% year to date. UA has not reported its May traffic stats but its traffic reports so far this year show decreases in CTMs of approx. 5% both in recent months and year to date.
AA's int'l capacity is up about 6% for May with most of the increase coming on the Pacific and about 5% in the transatlantic region with Latin flat. DL's capacity for May was up the most in the Pacific at about 7% followed by Latin America and then TATL at 4%.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Airlines-Reports-May-prnews-1228938716.html?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-Air-Lines-Reports-May-prnews-1694429387.html?x=0&.v=1
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Despite AA's increase in Pacific capacity and being flat or up in all other regions, AA's cargo traffic is falling.
Any insights into what is driving this?
1. AA's cargo division is about 75% of the size of DL's and DL's is about 80% of the size of UA's....
2. If you look at cargo ton miles produced in relation to total ASM's, DL carries about 3% less cargo than AA and AA carries about 15% less cargo than UA....
AA and UA both have higher percentages of 777 and/or 744s in their fleets which are better cargo carriers than the 767 which makes up more than half of DL's int'l fleet.... on the other hand, it would appear that DL and UA's presence in Asia gives them an advantage if for no other reason than that Asian cargo flies further than Latin and London cargo, where undoubtedly the majority of AA's cargo network is concentrated...
.
It would also appear that AA's cargo division is more concentrated in its core global markets including JFK than is either DL or UA... so it makes sense that AA does better than its peers in NYC relative to its capacity.
BTW, CO and AA carry almost identical amounts of cargo to/from NYC... and Fedex carries more than 3X more cargo than AA or CO... so they do indeed focus their cargo operation at EWR.
http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/MAR2011_REG.PDF
Cargo operations at passenger airlines are generally not charged for the cost of producing the ASMs - thus it is often considered "free revenue" but cargo obviously has its own specific costs, including the new building mentioned here....
.
AA just reported its May traffic results and shows a 6.6% decrease in cargo ton miles....and down 2.2% year to date. UA has not reported its May traffic stats but its traffic reports so far this year show decreases in CTMs of approx. 5% both in recent months and year to date.
AA's int'l capacity is up about 6% for May with most of the increase coming on the Pacific and about 5% in the transatlantic region with Latin flat. DL's capacity for May was up the most in the Pacific at about 7% followed by Latin America and then TATL at 4%.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Airlines-Reports-May-prnews-1228938716.html?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-Air-Lines-Reports-May-prnews-1694429387.html?x=0&.v=1
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Despite AA's increase in Pacific capacity and being flat or up in all other regions, AA's cargo traffic is falling.
Any insights into what is driving this?
LuxuryLiner
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I do know that places like ELP and TUS generate more cargo revenue than SFO does and SFO has widebodies.
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except that the same article showing how AA is the largest cargo carrier at JFK has been quoted on here TWICE - and no context has been given for AA's cargo position at JFK.... I think it is highly relevant how AA cargo's position stacks up not only at JFK but also other airports (anyone is free to throw that data in) as well as the size of AA's cargo operation relative to other airlines....
The data says that AA's cargo operation OVERALL is slightly larger than DL's RELATIVE to the size of its overall capacity but not as large as UA's.. not entirely surprising but there are a whole of details that could be provided that could help all of us LEARN about the industry....
And then again if you have nothing to be ashamed of, comparisons with your peers can be a very healthy exercise.
Maybe the reason some of us always have data on our fingertips is because we use questions like this to find answers and not just perpetuate our preferred mindset - whether it has any basis in reality or not..
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WT, you never cease to amaze me.
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"Maybe the reason some of us always have data on our fingertips is because we use questions like this to find answers and not just perpetuate our preferred mindset - whether it has any basis in reality or not.."
Funny how perpetuating one's own mindset about DL is firmly based in reality, but nobody else's is....
Funny how perpetuating one's own mindset about DL is firmly based in reality, but nobody else's is....
