AA Applies For LAX-GDL, MIA-MTY

[WorldTraveler]

first and foremost, I participate on this forum to provide market insights which others do not or will not provide.

In the case of both the LAX and transcon discussions, no one has yet to accurately counter my conclusions regarding AA's position in either market or that of any other competitor.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

The only insights you provided is a mastery of fabricating data, making up statistics, wiggling out of a lie and having the last word about DL superiority on every thread/forum.

 

[WorldTraveler]

of course it is all fabricated because it isn't something you want to see.

but since you admitted that you aren't an economics or petrochemical expert, do you think that you could admit that you also don't have anywhere close to the knowledge of the data being discussed to be able to say that someone else is wrong?

 

[700UW]

Fabricated?
 
You havent disproved a thing, and the author of the article probably has the education, experience and knowledge to write about the subject, unlike you.

 

[eolesen]

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, I disproved that AA actually has come out ahead in the JFK-LAX market.

AA got higher average fares but lower total revenue even while other carriers saw higher average fares AND higher revenue.

for you or anyone to argue that is anything but a complete strategic failure shows how little you collectively know about the subject

all of the personal attacks won't change the fact that AA made a horridly wrong strategic decision which I predicted and others tried to disprove. the facts are once again proving that I was right all along.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

of course it is all fabricated because it isn't something you want to see.
 

 
OK fraudster, why don't you tell us again the definition of a new entrant carrier?  You said DL is a new entrant, so teach us?  .
Or would you rather go through the exercise of defining quality revenue vs revenue? 
How about a discussion of how much cargo AA is leaving behind on JFK-LAX and how as a result AA is doomed to fail (approx. enough to fill 1 B767 according to the numbers he himself provided).
Have you written to Airbus and Boeing pointing out how they incorrectly list the MTOW of the A330 and B777?
Care to discuss the range of the A310 and how it can't make it to Europe from USA east coast?
Or probably the best of all, do you have permission to elaborate on the exclusive super top secret extra special collaboration between the CDC and DL?
 
Let me know if you want me to continue, but I have a feeling you're going to spin anyways.

 

[WorldTraveler]

AA's total revenue on the JFK transcons is down.

Other carrier's is up.

if you can defend that as a strategic success, then you have no business whatsoever discussing anything related to business.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Average Oneway Fares - LAX-JFK
AA - $522.43
UA - $392.82
VX - $373.10
DL - $346.54
B6 - $319.42

Average Oneway Fares - SFO-JFK
AA - $497.78
UA - $433.34
DL - $336.02
VX - $331.83
B6 - $275.67
 

 
IIRC, a certain DL fankid cheerleader gave many sermons on these boards about how DL's average transcon fares are "within a few percentage points" of AA.  I guess 30-35% difference in some people's minds is a few percentage points ... ... ...
 

 

[Hope777]

AA & Frugal..... PLEASE Do NOT let the Facts get in the way......

 

[topDawg]

maybe you could, for just once, not cause a thread to become a AA vs DL pissing contest. Just once..........?

Or not.........  <_<  <_<

 

[700UW]

AA & Frugal..... PLEASE Do NOT let the Facts get in the way......

Hey I like that!

 

[FWAAA]

According to this site, WT won the internet today with 93 posts, fully 25% of the total posts on this site today (Feb 4, 2015):

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[WorldTraveler]

IIRC, a certain DL fankid cheerleader gave many sermons on these boards about how DL's average transcon fares are "within a few percentage points" of AA.  I guess 30-35% difference in some people's minds is a few percentage points ... ... ...

and again, average fare is great... but in order to push its average fare above average, AA had to walk away from revenue in the marketplace.

AA became a niche carrier in some of its most backbone and historic routes

and if falling to the #2 carrier in JFK-LAX isn't bad enough, AA is now 4 out of 5 carriers on JFK-SFO and will likely be passed by B6 to become 5 out of 5 carriers as B6 rolls out Mint.

AA's strategy quite simply traded a viable size in the market place for being a niche carrier and despite what some believe or have posted, there is no evidence that a niche carrier has been viable on a long term basis against other carriers who pursue a full market strategy.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm sure the owners of this board are tickled pink at the activity yesterday.

So much for those who were just going to ignore me... once again, they have proven they can't do it.

whether some can admit it or not, AA has been reduced to a niche carrier in the JFK transcon markets, some of the most historic on its system.

AA still is holding onto #2 in JFK-LAX but when they cut capacity and everyone else picks up what was cut and does better after AA's cuts than before, AA has no market leadership.

In JFK-SFO, AA is currently 4 out 5 and will be 5 out of 5 by the time B6 finishes rolling out Mint.

There is no history of a successful niche carrier in a market as competitive as the JFK transcons.