AA/APFA Negotiations

[damajagua]

Any news or thougts about the status of the AA/APFA negotiations.
I know that both parties are in the middle of three days of negotiations.
I hope that AA wants to start the year with labor peace and gets serious
about finally coming to the table with something the APFA might
consider sending to the membership. Enough is enough.

 

[AANOTOK]

I hope that AA wants to start the year with labor peace and gets serious

I'll stop laughing when it happens!

 

[jersey777]

My prediction is that we will hear a hotline from Laura Glading that says something like this.... ."We are disappointed that after 3 days of negotiating, the company refuses to come off their zero sum strategy and we have once again asked the mediator for an impasse. We are awaiting that decision."

 

[jersey777]

http://www.iamdl142.org/fa/PDF/2011/contractt2_web.pdf



Take a look at what Continental is to be paid in 2010 and 2011!

 

[737823]

http://www.iamdl142.org/fa/PDF/2011/contractt2_web.pdf




Take a look at what Continental is to be paid in 2010 and 2011!

Maybe its time APFA gets decertified and IAM is brought on the property for the FAs. Clearly APFA has been unsuccessful at negotiations with the company and IAM has a proven track record.

Josh

 

[Bob Owens]

Maybe its time APFA gets decertified and IAM is brought on the property for the FAs. Clearly APFA has been unsuccessful at negotiations with the company and IAM has a proven track record.

Josh

Yea, we can look and see what a great job they did at USAIR, the IAM started the concessions train in 2002 by opening up their contract to supposedly avoid BK, they gave the company everything they wanted, the company filed, then went back for two more rounds of concessions in BK, then they helped NWA bust AMFA only to be rewarded by being decertified when the owners of NWA sold the company to Delta.

The IAM abandoned their members at TWA. The IAM had a successorship clause but abandoned it rather than risk being screwed out of money TWA owed their pension plan and lease payments for an engine they owned.

I once had a high opinion of the IAM, they have negotiated many good contracts over the years but for the last ten they have been in a downward spiral.

While the number may look high, top out of $57/hr, those are flight hours only. If you figure they work 80 flight hours per month (they dont get paid on the ground even though they are working) that comes out to just $55,000 after 16 years at the end of the contarct. A new hire would be making around $25000/year. My 16 year old daughter would be making more than that if she worked full time.

What "Josh" seems to forget is that long negotiations seem to be the case when labor is in a position to make gains. It took three years for the NMB to release tiny little Spirit Airlines, who later successfully struck the carrier, when the NMB starts releasing the workers at AA, who are at or beyoind that three year mark now, then the company will have to start negotiating because they wont win a strike. People arent eager to work for airlines anymore. Delta was trying to intmidate their FAs by bragging that they recieved 87000 applications but with 15 million unemployed that means that 14.9 million would rather remain unemployed than work for Delta as a Flight Attendant.

While the company has been successful at getting Flight Attendants to return (at top pay rates with full vacation allotments) they havent been that successful at getting their mechanics back. In the Northeast they've wiped out their recall lists, and had to trick upgrades into filling vacancies. New York wiped out their list which had around 300 names on it quite a while ago, Boston had around 38, 5 came back but three immediately put in for MIA, so out of 38 they eneded up with two.

If tiny little Spirit could not bust their pilots then the larger carriers have even less of a chance at busting their unions.

 

[Hackman]

Maybe its time APFA gets decertified and IAM is brought on the property for the FAs. Clearly APFA has been unsuccessful at negotiations with the company and IAM has a proven track record.

Josh

Why do you care? Seems if your anti-worker, and anti-union as you have shown, you wouldn't want any union, right? Let alone the IAm.

It must be a boring day in the cubicle, maybe you and Ole can get together and sharpen some pencils or sort some paper clips.

 

[MCI transplant]

Maybe its time APFA gets decertified and IAM is brought on the property for the FAs. Clearly APFA has been unsuccessful at negotiations with the company and IAM has a proven track record.

Josh
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-------- Josh! Reality check here! The IAM represented the TWA FA's and look what it got them!?

 

[jimntx]

People arent eager to work for airlines anymore. Delta was trying to intmidate their FAs by bragging that they recieved 87000 applications but with 15 million unemployed that means that 14.9 million would rather remain unemployed than work for Delta as a Flight Attendant.

Actually, Delta received 100,000 applications for the 1000 f/a jobs. Try to get your facts straight.
Delta receives 100,000 applications for 1000 jobs

As far as your "statistics", for all you know the only reason the other 14.9 million people didn't apply is that they didn't hear of the openings in time. Despite your repeated attempts to do so, there is a centuries-old rule in logic--you can not prove a negative. The fact that 14.9 million unemployed did not apply for the job only proves that 14.9 million did not apply. You haven't a clue as to their motivation for not doing so.

Now, get back to what you do best, twist this thread about the APFA negotiations into a repetitive discussion of your union's problems with the company. It's really the only American Airlines topic worth discussing evidently.

 

[bbrooks1963]

Actually, Delta received 100,000 applications for the 1000 f/a jobs. Try to get your facts straight.
Delta receives 100,000 applications for 1000 jobs

As far as your "statistics", for all you know the only reason the other 14.9 million people didn't apply is that they didn't hear of the openings in time. Despite your repeated attempts to do so, there is a centuries-old rule in logic--you can not prove a negative. The fact that 14.9 million unemployed did not apply for the job only proves that 14.9 million did not apply. You haven't a clue as to their motivation for not doing so.

Now, get back to what you do best, twist this thread about the APFA negotiations into a repetitive discussion of your union's problems with the company. It's really the only American Airlines topic worth discussing evidently.

CNN reports that over 400,000 have unemployment claims. Thats far from 14.9 Mil WTF???

 

[jersey777]

Actually, Delta received 100,000 applications for the 1000 f/a jobs. Try to get your facts straight.
Delta receives 100,000 applications for 1000 jobs

As far as your "statistics", for all you know the only reason the other 14.9 million people didn't apply is that they didn't hear of the openings in time. Despite your repeated attempts to do so, there is a centuries-old rule in logic--you can not prove a negative. The fact that 14.9 million unemployed did not apply for the job only proves that 14.9 million did not apply. You haven't a clue as to their motivation for not doing so.

Now, get back to what you do best, twist this thread about the APFA negotiations into a repetitive discussion of your union's problems with the company. It's really the only American Airlines topic worth discussing evidently.

Thank you Jim. Just count how many threads are devoted to the TWU. Not to mention the 265 pages...yes pages.... that are devoted to one TWU thread.

 

[eolesen]

It must be a boring day in the cubicle, maybe you and Ole can get together and sharpen some pencils or sort some paper clips.

No, I'd probably outsource Josh's job... anyone who uses "track record" and "IAM" in the same sentence is obviously not capable of handling sharp objects.

UA/CO is trying to buy labor peace for their otherwise unwise merger. Trying to draw comparisons between them and anyone else right now is probably a mistake.

 

[AANOTOK]

jersey,

Just curious, when are these negotiations suppose to wrap up. As I mentioned in another thread, our group (FSC) has been sent to the corner by the mediator with no clue as to when we can come out. I'm anxious to see if any progress was/is made with your group. I would think if one group can report something positive, then another workgroups prospects may look a little more encouraging. Good luck!

 

[jersey777]

jersey,

Just curious, when are these negotiations suppose to wrap up. As I mentioned in another thread, our group (FSC) has been sent to the corner by the mediator with no clue as to when we can come out. I'm anxious to see if any progress was/is made with your group. I would think if one group can report something positive, then another workgroups prospects may look a little more encouraging. Good luck!

Today is the 3rd day of 3 days of mediated talks between the APFA and American Airlines. They are taking place in Nashville. The last mediated session took place in May 2010. The parties have been assigned a new mediator who will hopefully get the ball rolling. I think 2 things are possible after these sessions. The first thing being that nothing comes out of this session and the second that the mediator might ask the parties to stay another day. If the second item happens that would lead me to believe the mediator sees some progress.....however little. It is my hope that after this go round that the NMB has no choice but to release the parties into a 30 day cooling off period. Not since 1983 has the company and the APFA come to agreement outside of the pressure of a 30 day cooling off period. If we are released you can expect a field day in the media with the word STRIKE every where you turn.

 

[eolesen]

With the 2012 re-election campaign starting up in the next 10 months, I suspect you have a very short window for anyone to be released into a 30-cooling off period. As in between now and October. After that, and it becomes a political football and none of the political appointees sitting on the NMB are going to put their future at risk by messing with Obummer's chances at re-election.

That said, I think you're kidding yourself if you expect a release after the first session with a new mediator.