A Qeustion For The Twu

[Bob Owens]

One of the Concessions that the company threw on the table was to eliminate UBP for Union officials.

I'm not certain but if I recall the figure for that concession was $3 million $2 million -M&R, $1million-joint.

I'm assuming that this is for the Presidents pay however there are I believe 23 Presidents. If you average it out they make lets say $55,000.

55,000 X 23 =1,375,000

Where does the other $1,625,000 go? Benifits? No, they company only tacks on 9% to cover benifits when someone is on pay continuence.

I also noticed that International Rep Bobby Gless's dues were sent to us and reported on the Check-off list that comes with the dues check.

If Bobby is not getting a check from AA then how could his dues be collected through check-off?

I would think that since he is supposedly on a Union leave of absence that he would have to remitt his full dues to the Local like Nick Massi, who is retired does. Since the check off form is computer generated and any corrections usually results in a seperate invoice being sent how could he be on this sheet unless he was getting a paycheck from AA?

Is that $1625,000 going to International officers? And if so, is it true that this would not be reflected on the LM-2?

 

[twuer]

One of the Concessions that the company threw on the table was to eliminate UBP for Union officials.

I'm not certain but if I recall the figure for that concession was $1.7million.

I'm assuming that this is for the Presidents pay however there are I believe 23 Presidents. If you average it out they make lets say $55,000.

55,000 X 23 =1,375,000

Where does the other $325,000 go? Benifits? No, they company only tacks on 9% to cover benifits when someone is on pay continuence, this comes out to 19%.

I also noticed that Bobby Gless's dues were sent to us and reported on the Check-off list that comes with the dues check.

If Bobby is not getting a check from AA then how could his dues be collected through check-off?

I would think that since he is supposedly on a Union leave of absence that he would have to remitt his full dues to the Local like Nick Massi, who is retired does. Since the check off form is computer generated and any corrections usually results in a seperate invoice being sent how could he be on this sheet unless he was getting a paycheck from AA?

Is that $325,000 going to International officers? And if so, is it true that this would not be reflected on the LM-2?

You caught me Bob. I give!!! It's going to me. I am getting the extra 325 grand. I have a check right here in front of me. I'll share it with you if you promise to be nice.


GET A GRIP MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are grabbing at straws. I think you need a vacation Bob.

You're going down, down, down, down. . . . you're goin' down, down, down, down.
(a spin off of an old ELO song!!) Like it??????????

 

[TWU informer]

Now that was another direct answer from the TWU faithful. This guy is an obvious leading Candidate for TWU Local Office.

 

[twuer]

Now that was another direct answer from the TWU faithful. This guy is an obvious leading Candidate for TWU Local Office.

I am not going to respond to. . .

I'm not certain but if I recall. . .
I'm assuming. . .
I believe. . .
I would think. . .


WOULD YOU?????????????????

Oh, of course you would, how silly of me! You just don't respond to the truth!!!

 

[twuer]

I am not going to respond to. . .

I'm not certain but if I recall. . .
I'm assuming. . .
I believe. . .
I would think. . .


WOULD YOU?????????????????

Oh, of course you would, how silly of me! You just don't respond to the truth!!!

. . .didn't think so!!!!

:cold: :cold: :cold:

 

[Bob Owens]

I am not going to respond to. . .

I'm not certain but if I recall. . .
I'm assuming. . .
I believe. . .
I would think. . .


WOULD YOU?????????????????

Oh, of course you would, how silly of me! You just don't respond to the truth!!!

. . .didn't think so!!!!

:cold: :cold: :cold:

Boy this seems to be a touchy subject with you. Thats some reaction to a question.

All of those phrases indicate that I need additional information. Is there something wrong with that? If you dont know then just say so. I'd still like answers, and I bet so would a lot of other people.

So in answer to your question, I probably would, and have!

Sorry for the delayed response but unlike you I work for a living.

TWUER, you seem to be getting extremely panicky lately.

 

[Rusty]

I am not going to respond to. . .

I'm not certain but if I recall. . .
I'm assuming. . .
I believe. . .
I would think. . .


WOULD YOU?????????????????

Oh, of course you would, how silly of me! You just don't respond to the truth!!!

. . .didn't think so!!!!

:cold: :cold: :cold:

Boy this seems to be a touchy subject with you. Thats some reaction to a question.

All of those phases indicate that I need additional information. Is there something wrong with that? If you dont know then just say so. I'd still like answers, and I bet so would a lot of other people.

So in answer to your question, I probably would, and have!

Sorry for the delayed response but unlike you I work for a living.

TWUER, you seem to be getting extremely panicky lately.

I agree Bob, they sure are getting touchy lately. Very interesting, 325K and they do not want to talk about that either or so it appears.

 

[Bob Owens]

Still no answers.

Several members who contacted Bobby Gless said that Bobby claimed that he was taking a cut too. Now we know that the TWU does not cut their employees pay because after all, they work for several carriers. My question is was Bobby right? Did he take a pay cut as he reportedly claimed because he was still getting a regular 40 hour check from American Airlines while acting as an International rep and drawing a salary? Is that why his dues are paid through checkoff?

Figure
Bobby Gless- $62,000?
Yingst $62000?
Little $70,000?
Orlando $ 62,000?
Conley $ 50,000?

This accounts for around $300,000.

This could be what they are getting from the company, and it would not be included in the LM-2. That would be in addition to that.

Are these guys getting a paycheck from the company? Is that what was meant by "I'm taking a cut too"?

 

[Bob Owens]

It seems that whenever the TWU is presented with a potentially embarrasing questions they pull the equivilent of Koziateks "I have to use the restroom" move and slip out the back.

This is the type of accountability that we have come to expect from the TWU.

Thats why we need to get AMFA.

 

[NyQuill]

What is the $$$ figure we currently will owe amfa national if amfa is brought in as bargaining agent at AA?....out of future dues money...when did I vote on that?

 

[Bob Owens]

What is the $$$ figure we currently will owe amfa national if amfa is brought in as bargaining agent at AA?....out of future dues money...when did I vote on that?

What is the current $$$ figure the TWU has taken from its members while putting in twenty years of concessions?


The company gives them $3 million and gets $660 million in concessions.

It appears that the company gets a better deal from the TWU than the members do.

Oh yea thats right, the TWU is "entitled" to our dues, they dont have to actually do anything for them do they?

They have to earn the $3 million they get from the company, the RLA does not force the company to pay union officers $3 million however it does force us to give them $9million a year.


The company gives them $3million and gets $660 million in concessions, we give them $9 million a year and get twenty years of industry leading concessions, less benifits and pay than our non-union counterparts at DELTA who pay no dues.


Now its clear why the TWU wants to keep us. They get $9 million, guaranteed from us, we cant do anything about it (but vote out the whole TWU) and then they can get an addition $3 million to divy up between themselves - that does not even get recorded on the LM-2, by taking $660 million away from us and giving it to the company! We cant internally do a damn thing about it exept vote out the Local Presidents! However we can vote out the whole corrupt unaccountable crew! Vote out the TWU!

AMFA NOW!

 

[Bob Owens]

DETAIL LISTING FOR 2300WK DEDUCTIONS - LOCAL 562

Area Group Cost Center Subgroup Name Date Amount
JFK H 0702/7930 Mechanic Line GLESS, R 04-Apr-03 $14.45
Monday, April 14, 2003 Page 21 of 45


How was Gless still having dues Deducted unless he is still getting a check from American Airlines?

Please note that this is a weekly Deduction.

So if this is correct our International officers were looking at either taking a 17% cut in their AA check or a 100% in just their AA check-(they would still get their Union six figure union check)cut if they fought it. There is little doubt that the companys request to discontinue paying the salaries of the International would be granted in bankruptcy court if nothing else!

Other than this little perk, the company would have had a hard time proving that our contract was onerous and that we were not justified in refusing the concessions they were requesting, concessions that were far more severe than any other airline, even those in Bankruptcy were able to get. In Bankruptcy the TWU could have brought forth that for TWENTY years not only has the TWU been lowering the real wage but they also have given the company concessions such as SRPs, OSMs, Junior Fleet Service clerks, the longest progressions to toip pay in the industry, employee prefunding for retirement health benifits, employee contributary medical benifits. That our concessions over the last twenty years basically funded Amercan Airlines growth and that it was unfair, after gross mismanagement to expect the employees to agree to provide futher draconian concessions such as a 51 week work year without any holidays off working shifts and weekends for literally no extra pay.

But for the International, since none of these things affect them, and they cant be held accountable, they would rather that we all suffer under this contract, the worst in the industry, than loose their unreported perk of still collecting two paychecks! 17% of one third of their pay is no big deal. It only comes out to around 5%. Since most of their pay still comes from the Union it was neccisary to preserve as much dues as possible, thats why we took such a hit with Holidays, Sick time, IOD time, and doubletime. Because the loss of all these things does not result in lower dues!

The TWU is not our union, we just pay them. We did not pick them, we can not remove officers, we do not even have the right to vote on our own contract which legally belongs to the International as long as they are recognized as our representative. They are not accountable to us.

We need a union that we chose, a union that only works for and gets paid by us, not one that works harder for the company than they do for us. We've been paying the TWU $9 million a year and getting less and less for twenty. The company pays them $3 million a year for 4 years and gets $660 million in concessions with Jim Littles signature. We did not pick Jim, nor can we replace him within the TWU.

Its time to dump these crooks who sell us out for $3 million a year while we pay them $9 million a year.

Lets get AMFA now!

 

[Hopeful]

TWUer:

Do you know the tune: "THE PARTY'S OVER!!!!!!"


IF THE twu WAS SO CONFIDENT AND AMFA WORRY FREE, THEY WOULD NOT BE CALLING OUR HOMES USING A RECORDING BRAGGING HOW GOOD THEY ARE.

By the way, I filed a formal complaint that since I am registered on the DO NOT CALL list to stop unwanted phone solicitations, the TWU has violated my privacy!

 

[Bob Owens]

Still no answers from the TWU concerning getting paid by the company for Union Business.

 

[Bob Owens]

Come on now TWUER, you complianed and I complied. Why wont you address this question?