$ 892.00 This Week For Isp-phl R/t

[LongIsland2004]

Itinerary Total - US$ 892.90 Flight Fare Rules
1 adult at US$ 892.90
7:00am Depart Long Island Macarthu, NY (ISP)
8:10am Arrive Philadelphia, PA (PHL) Jul. 26
US Airways flight 4031 operated by US AIRWAYS EXPRESS-PIEDMONT AIRLINES View rules
9:10pm Depart Philadelphia, PA (PHL)

10:12pm Arrive Long Island Macarthu, NY (ISP) Jul. 26
US Airways flight 4042 operated by US AIRWAYS EXPRESS-PIEDMONT AIRLINES

It might as well be a million dollars cause NO one is going to pay this fare.


Max fare should be no more than $162.00 each way.
RASM: $1.00 x 162.2 miles x 2 = 324.00 = Rational fare.

 

[jimcfs]

Itinerary Total - US$ 892.90 Flight Fare Rules
1 adult at US$ 892.90
7:00am Depart Long Island Macarthu, NY (ISP)
8:10am Arrive Philadelphia, PA (PHL) Jul. 26
US Airways flight 4031 operated by US AIRWAYS EXPRESS-PIEDMONT AIRLINES View rules
9:10pm Depart Philadelphia, PA (PHL)

10:12pm Arrive Long Island Macarthu, NY (ISP) Jul. 26
US Airways flight 4042 operated by US AIRWAYS EXPRESS-PIEDMONT AIRLINES

It might as well be a million dollars cause NO one is going to pay this fare.
Max fare should be no more than $162.00 each way.
RASM: $1.00 x 162.2 miles x 2 = 324.00 = Rational fare.

[post="283629"][/post]​

The technical term for this fare is a "BloFare". Your synopsis is right on.

 

[N924PS]

The technical term for this fare is a "BloFare". Your synopsis is right on.

[post="283633"][/post]​

And now you know why WN is the biggest airline at ISP and the most successful US airline. Where have you gone Ben Baldanza?

 

[Travelpro72]

HELL.... for that price why not take the whole family and Aunt Edna too!!! I never realized that travel was soooooo affordable. LOL

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Hey, someone has to subsidize the $49.00 SYR-FLL fares! Oh, of course if nobody will pay $900.00 for ISP-PHL, how can those fares offset the $49.00 Florida tickets.? :blink:

 

[700UW]

And what would the fare been if you actually took the time and booked it in advanced instead of two days before?

 

[ELP_WN_Psgr]

And what would the fare been if you actually took the time and booked it in advanced instead of two days before?

The bottom line, 700UW, is that really doesn't matter.

Not everyone knows what the exigencies of their business travel will be. It is quite common for people travelling on business to find out on very short notice that they need to go see a client or a supplier or a subcontractor or somesuch. They need to go then...not in 14 or 21 days with a Saturday stayover.

If you are going to see a sick or dying relative....their illness usually happens at a very inconvenient time and without sufficient notice to book 21 days out.

And that has been the fallacy all along.

The legacy carriers thought that business travelers did not care what the fare was.

Oh, yeah, there are those who get addicted to miles and clubs and upgrades.

But more and more businesses are taking a very dim view of their employees flying around on their expense account like there was no tomorrow.

Many businessmen have come to realize that the money they don;t fritter away on travel costs is money that flows to the bottom line...allowing room for such things as raises, bonuses, profits, that sort of thing.

That's why WN carries a crap pot load of business travelers on full Y fares. The full Y fares don't cause them to shriek "Oh My God!"

Yeah, there are some folks who will climb on a flight from ISP to PHL at that outrageous price. But not very many. Nowhere near enough to offset the basketloads riding from FLL to SYR for $49 each way.

Art nailed it a long time ago - "it's the fares, stupid." One of these days he may even wise up and realize that an unassigned seat can be its own reward.

In the 3rd Quarter of 2004, there were only 10.2 passengers per day traveling that route...and air mileage is even less than the 162 miles quoted. More like 130.

 

[luvthe9]

Please stop your f----n whining about fares find a cheaper one on line or fly some one else. it,s that simlpe. I could give you a long list of things I think are over priced but I won"t. Just give it a rest.

 

[ELP_WN_Psgr]

Luvthe9:

I think maybe you misconstrued the initial poster's comments as well as mine.

It's not about whining over high fares.

It's all about people being unwilling to pay high fares.

You could charge $3,500,000 to fly from State College to Pittsburgh or Charlotte to Raleigh/Durham.

Charging that price does you absolutely no good if nobody buys a ticket.

When nobody buys enough tickets, airline management tends to try to shrink their way to profitability. layoffs, concessions, much bad morale and gnashing of teeth always ensues.

I think the gist of the comments are: when fares are too high, nobody flies. When nobody flies, it doesn't matter what you charge, nobody is going to buy a ticket.

 

[Travelpro72]

Well the good news for the LCC's and bad for US and other "Legacy" carriers is that consumers are doing just that. I think CCY thinks the exact same way. I wouldn't pay that kind of fare to fly such a short distance if I could SERIOUSLY help it. "Getting over it", still does not justify an airline charging that high of a fare on such a short flight. Get people out of their cars and into our planes...... yeah to SW maybe. Not the first and surely not the last insane fare....LOL

 

[tadjr]

Well from working the counter, I can tell you that I have had people pay outrageous fares on some routes, but they are few and far between and are usually coupled with never again on US if I can help it. On the other hand, if the plane has 3 or 5 (or any number of) empty seats, why arent we charging something a little more reasonable for a last minute fare? If you want to charge the $892 for the "we have 1 seat left" type of fare, then do it, but in quite a few markets we dont offer an alternative if you dont buy a roundtrip ticket in advance.

This is one thing that I hope HP changes ASAP. They offer one way fares that are reasonable to offer in lots of their markets. I wonder if they will be able to tell how much the overall yield will increase at US once they change the fare structure. Would love to be able to (once again) show the CCY guys that it would have worked if they had had the balls to try it a while ago.

In the meantime, Airtran is down the hall, and Southwest is right behind us. :down:

 

[JS]

You could always take the train. It's not that far.

Don't get your hopes up about HP. They don't rip you off as badly as US, but for last-minute flights to PHX, it's still expensive. July 26-28 roundtrip from FLG (only 119 miles away) is $570 and DFW is $1228.

Maybe HP will cut the ISP-PHL last-minute fare down to $700 round trip.

 

[Finish or Ignore]

ELP WN Psgr
It's a sad state of affairs when the empolyees are blaming the customers for the fix we are in. But that is what is happening as you can see. As for whining maybe the employees should stop whining about being laid off and paycuts.

 

[whlinder]

And what would the fare been if you actually took the time and booked it in advanced instead of two days before?

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Only about $70 less. Aside from being so close to departure, the OP is trying to do a same day return. There are only 3 one-way fares in the market, a B fare, a Y fare and the full Y fare. The 892 price is the Y fare. The B fare is about $70 less RT and requires 7d advance purchase.

I don't think US is out looking for many O&D passengers in the ISP-PHL market. They only publish like 5 fares there. I guess they figure that few people travel in that market, so if you really really want to fly it, you'll pay it. I don't agree with this philosphy, but it appears to be what they're doing. Anyone have any O&D stats on ISP-PHL?

 

[Art at ISP]

I tried to do an ISP-PIT or LGA-PIT outbound Friday back Saturday, and the fare was over $900 in both cases. I was prepared to drive the trip, then on a lark decided to try PHL-PIT and got fares between $98 and $138!! So instead of driving 400 miles I will drive about 120 and fly. And 700UW, I started pricing 2 weeks before the trip date.

For the record, at $138, they still make a small profit, as the approximate COST of flying me from PHL to PIT is under $30.00, and the base fare before taxes is close to $50 each way.

It appears they would rather have empty seats than a rational fare. I would have paid up to $300 to fly from LGA, but NOOOO.

I have said it before and will say it again. The EDUCATED business traveler doesn't need artificially low fares--we want FAIR fares. Apparently, HP gets it. They have a rationalized fare structure and they made money. I can't wait for their pricing to prevail throughout the new US Airways system.

It IS the fares, stupid......

My best to you all...