2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Bean]

Don't know if that means they are just not interested or are trying to act as if what's happened isn't real?

 

[Pi brat]

Don't know if that means they are just not interested or are trying to act as if what's happened isn't real?

Beat up and tired. Just along for the ride.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I think I was next!
Thanks.
I think pi has it right. The West is strong, to very strong in their solidarity.
The east numbers seem to reveal the actual sentiment of their pilot group.
Much like cactus boy said, there are probably way more easties that just don't agree with the what's happened over this past decade than those that do.
Not really a poll, but a definite indication of how the whole east group really feels.

. USAPA will not get 300 votes ? Like how you think , keep it up!

 

[Bean]

Mutant,

I agree with the similarities.

I hope you guys can garner the money to defend your position.

Now that the usapa tit has done run dry, your lack of funds just might be the only reason you didn't get what you feel you deserved.

Then again, no amount of money can change the outcome of a fair and equitable list.

 

[Phoenix]

Mutant,
I agree with the similarities.
I hope you guys can garner the money to defend your position.
Now that the usapa tit has done run dry, your lack of funds just might be the only reason you didn't get what you feel you deserved.
Then again, no amount of money can change the outcome of a fair and equitable list.

No amount of money can impliment a fair and equitable list. No amount of money can alter an Implimented MB list.

 

[Bean]

No amount of money can impliment a fair and equitable list. No amount of money can alter an Implimented MB list.

I completely agree with you

 

[Bean]

I don't believe the company has any desire to get the list and not implement it immediately.

All they want is the list. Not like Parker said years ago, by alphabetical order or what, just give me a list.

Those days are over. Once it comes out, that's it.

Any litigation will be put into its place, a minor hiccup to what the company plans.

If some entity prevails after years of courtroom antics, the company will abide the courts order.

Until that day, the list is the list.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

And apparently no amount of moneys, efforts, or even beliefs will allow the implementation of a fair, or unfair arbitrated list absent contractual and/or MB requirement.  So far says every court, union, and company in the land. Film at eleven. Or early August.

 

[Bean]

Again, I completely agree.

 

[Bean]

Seems it's done.

There is nothing anyone can do.

Nothing they can do to change any of it.

All the leverage has been spent.

We truly are along for the ride at this point.

 

[Freighterguynow]

The east numbers seem to reveal the actual sentiment of their pilot group.
Much like cactus boy said, there are probably way more easties that just don't agree with the what's happened over this past decade than those that do.
Not really a poll, but a definite indication of how the whole east group really feels.

Less than 50% West ever contributed to Leonidas. Unless you can prove me wrong ....

 

[luvthe9]

I think I was next!
Thanks.
I think pi has it right. The West is strong, to very strong in their solidarity.
The east numbers seem to reveal the actual sentiment of their pilot group.
Much like cactus boy said, there are probably way more easties that just don't agree with the what's happened over this past decade than those that do.
Not really a poll, but a definite indication of how the whole east group really feels.

To bad the west pilots were so gullible and fell for all the lies from the little AFO AOL group.

 

[53Cactusboy]

Less than 50% West ever contributed to Leonidas. Unless you can prove me wrong ....

Actually LOGIC plays here. Suppose 1/2 of PHX is 850. That means that the AVERAGE contribution would have to be in EXCESS of $5800 EACH.

Sorry Bub, but you are again WRONG. You've made a "factual" statement without showing proof.

PS the sky is blue and the grass is green.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I ran out of fingers and toes, but a very rough count from their donations page was about 750, updated in Feb.

Probably meaningless, only they know. That $5800 per pilot figure might reflect money's still owed. Again, no accounting outside their inner circle, for all these years.

Both sides will eventually pay their bills with donations and awarded monies. Don't see any of this reflecting a lack of will on either side.

Collections going forward might be affected as folks on either side are unhappy with the SLI results.

And no doubt the West has done an outstanding job in collections and participation. That is a fact.

 

[Black Swan]

Maybe if you "shamed" and "forced" them into "stepping up to the plate" like many of you have claimed of other groups (this is why it's called "CONTRIBUTING").  Maybe those that have not "contributed" to the EPSIC see the folly of the last 10 years.  Then that really wouldn't be "ridiculous", would it?

The East pilots have been apathetic for sure. They voted for LOA93, and allowed some very bad RJ deals to go down. Every item they were told would help the company, ended up hurting it. I voted NO on every deal, and ALPA was behind the dumbest ideas. Thousands were sent to the streets while the flying went to Mesa, Republic and Wisconsin.
Now there are not enough regional pilots because of the pay scales. It has come full circle.
But East pilots were smart enough to draw the line on ALPA and dumped them.
That single act prevented the biggest damage they could ever inflict on themselves.
So you are correct on some things, but you and Leonidas completely miscalculated the East resolve on the Nic.
It was an abomination, and the USAPA vote stopped it. Had the West compromised, they would have made out much better. But we all know how that went....