2015 Pilot Discussion.

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"Looks like the TWA pilots are joining the party as well. Looks like the "ONION" we call APA is peeling apart!!!
As I DID predict, the lawsuits will continue to keep the West in PHX for years to come. Tried cut and paste but the scanned formatting didn't translate well so just go to the web site. The point is, they're suing too. Labor unions are on their way out. Wisconsin now has right to work law and Congress will be taking up the issue soon. Serna v. TWU is also going before the courts and hopefully, soon.....NO MORE LABOR UNIONS!!!!

Then the Company can give promotions to anyone they want without seniority!!"

What does TWA have to do with US as in all the pilots of the former US Airways. Apples and Oranges You are completely clueless.

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Guess we'll just have to find out.  I didn't file it.  TWA guys and your beloved Horner did.

The scumbag lost his beloved Ucrapa, now he wants to fuc with the APA.

Yeah, DS...you scumbag.  Just like you're stuck in PHX for years to come.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Guess we'll just have to find out.  I didn't file it.  TWA guys and your beloved Horner did.

Yeah, DS...you scumbag.  Just like you're stuck in PHX for years to come.

GFY, JJ.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Yet another premature celebration by ignorant west pilots after reading their own frivolous legal briefs. 
 
The officials of USAPA will use association funds to defend themselves from yet another frivolous Marty harper harping. 
 
The west chose not to be represented by USAPA, not the reverse.  USAPA has a legal obligation to represent the US Airways pilots during seniority negotiations and to defend their officials.

I hope they use those funds for their defense.

 

[flyingskier]

What does TWA have to do with US as in all the pilots of the former US Airways. Apples and Oranges You are completely clueless.

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Cheats,
 
The TWA pilots action could put the LAA LUS arbitration on hold indefinitely.  I'd say it has a lot to do, see excerpt from the law suit below.
 
PHX currently is over staffed with twice as many pilots as is needed for the number of main flights.  Expect attrition to no longer be replaced as the island know as Phoenix shrinks over the next five years.  Stagnation nation, aka phx!
 
Enjoy!
 


[SIZE=13pt]The Krakowski cases challenge the eliminated job protections [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]and the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]seniority [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]rights of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]850 former [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]TWA pilots [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]currently [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]flying for [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]American, and the hundreds [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]others [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]recall [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]rights. [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]The cases were [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]filed long [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]before American completed [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]its [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]merger [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with US Airways [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]December 2013, and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]not with [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]any [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]view to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]interfere [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]an [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]unknown potential future American/US [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Airways [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]seniority [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]integration. The [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]KrakowsW [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]litigation, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]however, [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]will [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]not [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]be resolved [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]prior to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]commencement [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]arbitration [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]June. Absent a stay, the [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]arbitration [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]will [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]necessarily determine [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]rights [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]that are the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]subject [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]litigation. [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]The arbitration should thus be stayed pending [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the resolution [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the Krakowski [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]litigation. [/SIZE]


 


[SIZE=12pt]A [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]“district [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]court [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]has the inherent [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]ability to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]protect [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]its own jurisdiction [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]over the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]dispute pending before [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]it.” [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]Bank of America, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]N.A. [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]v. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]UMB [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]Financial Services, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Inc., [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]618 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]F.3d 906, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]914 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt](8th [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Cir. [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]2010). Concurrent [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]that inherent power, the [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]All [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Writs Act [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]expressly gives federal courts the power [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]“issue [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]all writs [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]necessary [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]or [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]appropriate [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]aid of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]their respective jurisdictions and agreeable [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]usages and principles [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of law.” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]28 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]U.S.C. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]§ [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]1651(a). [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]That power includes staying arbikations. See [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]In [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]m American Express Financial Advisors Securities [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Litigation, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]672 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]F.3d [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]113, 141, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]n.20 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt](2d Cir. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]2011 [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt])rSome [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]courts have [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]explicitly relied [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]upon the [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]All [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Writs Act [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]enjoining [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]arbitrations [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]similar circumstances [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]those before us [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]this [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]appear [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt][citing [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]cases]).[/SIZE]
 


Skier

 

[EastUS1]

 
Guess we'll just have to find out.  I didn't file it.  TWA guys and your beloved Horner did.
Yeah, DS...you scumbag.  Just like you're stuck in PHX for years to come.

 
"Just like you're stuck in PHX for years to come."
 
I'm less certain of that sir, but only time will tell. I can see a number of ways this could develop, many far more time-consuming than others, but we'll just have to wait and see. I'd say at least two more years, but that's fairly safe, even given relatively unimpeded SLI "progress"....Meanwhile of course, while suffering all those east system bids and "feeling the pain" of the west, we'll just have to watch and see. Oh well. perhaps it's again time for another "spartan" soothsayer to lecture all present on "karma"...?  Sigh....I must honestly note that I've NEVER before encountered a more truly stupid, or at least wholly naive group of supposed "professionals" than are to be readily found within "sparta" in my entire life. It's a fine thing for many of them that mommy bought them their licenses to become "pyluts" and they amazingly found jobs as such at even AWA, lest they'd otherwise have been easily eaten up as no more than bait fish by the larger world long ago.
 
Disclaimer to the above: As previously, and many times noted, my rantings of that sort are always exclusively directed to the "heroic" junior league of wannabe "spartans", "knights"/"dire wolves"/whatever, and never to the many decent, "elderly" Captains in PHX that I've had the pleasure of speaking with, nor any actually sane First Officers of "theirs."  No group of people's ever entirely stocked with nothing more than village idiots and perpetual children.

 

[EastUS1]

GFY, JJ.

 
Yet more prose worthy of the Bard himself....Umm....High school "eddicayshun" at best? Just curious...?

 

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GFY, JJ.

Back at ya, DS.  Looking forward to the future watching you guys keep stepping on your "dycks"!!!

 

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Yet more prose worthy of the Bard himself....Umm....High school "eddicayshun" at best? Just curious...?

DS just misses the BPR position he held at USAPA.  Ha Ha HA!!!!!

 

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What does TWA have to do with US as in all the pilots of the former US Airways. Apples and Oranges You are completely clueless.

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Cheats,
 
The TWA pilots action could put the LAA LUS arbitration on hold indefinitely.  I'd say it has a lot to do, see excerpt from the law suit below.
 
PHX currently is over staffed with twice as many pilots as is needed for the number of main flights.  Expect attrition to no longer be replaced as the island know as Phoenix shrinks over the next five years.  Stagnation nation, aka phx!
 
Enjoy!
 


[SIZE=13pt]The Krakowski cases challenge the eliminated job protections [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]and the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]seniority [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]rights of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]850 former [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]TWA pilots [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]currently [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]flying for [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]American, and the hundreds [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]others [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]recall [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]rights. [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]The cases were [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]filed long [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]before American completed [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]its [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]merger [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with US Airways [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]December 2013, and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]not with [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]any [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]view to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]interfere [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]an [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]unknown potential future American/US [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Airways [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]seniority [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]integration. The [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]KrakowsW [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]litigation, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]however, [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]will [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]not [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]be resolved [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]prior to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]commencement [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]arbitration [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]June. Absent a stay, the [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]arbitration [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]will [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]necessarily determine [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]rights [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]that are the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]subject [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]litigation. [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]The arbitration should thus be stayed pending [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the resolution [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the Krakowski [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]litigation. [/SIZE]


 


[SIZE=12pt]A [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]“district [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]court [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]has the inherent [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]ability to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]protect [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]its own jurisdiction [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]over the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]dispute pending before [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]it.” [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]Bank of America, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]N.A. [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]v. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]UMB [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]Financial Services, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Inc., [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]618 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]F.3d 906, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]914 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt](8th [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Cir. [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]2010). Concurrent [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]with [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]that inherent power, the [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]All [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Writs Act [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]expressly gives federal courts the power [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]“issue [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]all writs [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]necessary [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]or [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]appropriate [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]aid of [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]their respective jurisdictions and agreeable [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]the [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]usages and principles [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of law.” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]28 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]U.S.C. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]§ [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]1651(a). [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]That power includes staying arbikations. See [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]In [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]m American Express Financial Advisors Securities [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Litigation, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]672 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]F.3d [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]113, 141, [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]n.20 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt](2d Cir. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]2011 [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt])rSome [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]courts have [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]explicitly relied [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]upon the [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]All [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Writs Act [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]enjoining [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]arbitrations [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]similar circumstances [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]those before us [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]in [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]this [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]appear [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt][citing [/SIZE][SIZE=13pt]cases]).[/SIZE]
 


Skier

I'm not trying to accentuate the obvious but WE obviously get it:  its going to take quite a while for this to work its way through the courts.  In the meantime, AAL expands to ASIA, East and new hires move up from attrition all the while West shrinks....AGAIN!  All the while Marty and Jeff get more of their money.  Gezzzz.

 

[CactusPilot1]

"You'se" think it's going to business as usual. We have the best merger attorney in the business and it will be your turn to enjoy the stagnation America West acquired.

We'll get those stolen upgrades from you thieves.

Cheers

 

[EastUS1]

We'll get those stolen upgrades from you thieves.

 
Don't forget "and your little dog too!" You've not even half the needed wit to yet realize this, but you're in the middle of a "bucket challenge"...Try not to melt....Had you not, for years now, always insisted on presenting yourselves as nothing more than clueless, greed-soaked and almost unimaginably both mindlessly narcisisstic and hopelessly arrogant little twits...well, I could actually feel sorry for you.
 
Who I do feel sympathy for's your senior Captains I've met who are long since disgusted with pathetic little punks like you, and what you've done to your group as a whole.

 

[EastCheats]

I hope they use those funds for their defense.

It's going to be fun to watch if they do.

"You'se" think it's going to business as usual. We have the best merger attorney in the business and it will be your turn to enjoy the stagnation America West acquired.

We'll get those stolen upgrades from you thieves.

Cheers

Yup

Stagnation shifts East.

 

[Metroyet]

Yet another premature celebration by ignorant west pilots after reading their own frivolous legal briefs. 
 
The officials of USAPA will use association funds to defend themselves from yet another frivolous Marty harper harping. 
 
The west chose not to be represented by USAPA, not the reverse.  USAPA has a legal obligation to represent the US Airways pilots during seniority negotiations and to defend their officials.

A decertified FBA that operates as a non-profit LLC in North Carolina has no "officials".  It's nothing which is why the Federal Judge said there was "good reason" to move fwd with the civil suit against the SCAB13. This is going to get expensive fast.

 

[EastUS1]

A decertified FBA that operates as a non-profit LLC in North Carolina has no "officials".  It's nothing which is why the Federal Judge said there was "good reason" to move fwd with the civil suit against the SCAB13. This is going to get expensive fast.

 
Best get busy hustling some more "Liberty" ties then sweetheart:
 
http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/libertynecktie.html

 

[snapthis]

Yet another premature celebration by ignorant west pilots after reading their own frivolous legal briefs. 
 
The officials of USAPA will use association funds to defend themselves from yet another frivolous Marty harper harping. 
 
The west chose not to be represented by USAPA, not the reverse.  USAPA has a legal obligation to represent the US Airways pilots during seniority negotiations and to defend their officials.

 
Press your luck...proceed as usual..............
 
 
 
 
29 U.S. Code § 501 - Fiduciary responsibility of officers of labor organizations
 




Current through Pub. L. 113-296, except 113-287, 113-291, 113-295. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

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(a) Duties of officers; exculpatory provisions and resolutions void
The officers, agents, shop stewards, and other representatives of a labor organization occupy positions of trust in relation to such organization and its members as a group. It is, therefore, the duty of each such person, taking into account the special problems and functions of a labor organization, to hold its money and property solely for the benefit of the organization and its members and to manage, invest, and expend the same in accordance with its constitution and bylaws and any resolutions of the governing bodies adopted thereunder, to refrain from dealing with such organization as an adverse party or in behalf of an adverse party in any matter connected with his duties and from holding or acquiring any pecuniary or personal interest which conflicts with the interests of such organization, and to account to the organization for any profit received by him in whatever capacity in connection with transactions conducted by him or under his direction on behalf of the organization. A general exculpatory provision in the constitution and bylaws of such a labor organization or a general exculpatory resolution of a governing body purporting to relieve any such person of liability for breach of the duties declared by this section shall be void as against public policy.

(  Violation of duties; action by member after refusal or failure by labor organization to commence proceedings; jurisdiction; leave of court; counsel fees and expenses
When any officer, agent, shop steward, or representative of any labor organization is alleged to have violated the duties declared in subsection (a) of this section and the labor organization or its governing board or officers refuse or fail to sue or recover damages or secure an accounting or other appropriate relief within a reasonable time after being requested to do so by any member of the labor organization, such member may sue such officer, agent, shop steward, or representative in any district court of the United States or in any State court of competent jurisdiction to recover damages or secure an accounting or other appropriate relief for the benefit of the labor organization. No such proceeding shall be brought except upon leave of the court obtained upon verified application and for good cause shown, which application may be made ex parte. The trial judge may allot a reasonable part of the recovery in any action under this subsection to pay the fees of counsel prosecuting the suit at the instance of the member of the labor organization and to compensate such member for any expenses necessarily paid or incurred by him in connection with the litigation.

(c) Embezzlement of assets; penalty
Any person who embezzles, steals, or unlawfully and willfully abstracts or converts to his own use, or the use of another, any of the moneys, funds, securities, property, or other assets of a labor organization of which he is an officer, or by which he is employed, directly or indirectly, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.





 
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(Pub. L. 86–257, title V, § 501,Sept. 14, 1959, 73 Stat. 535.)