2 F/a's Participated In The Balllot Counting

[jsn25911]

Can somone verify the following:

I heard that Ron Harris and Gayle McCorkin participated in the ballot counting - is this true? Also, that it is prohibited by APFA. How did they get away with being involved in the counting if they are flight attendants. Can someone give some feed back on this. Especially someone at the counting.

 

[s80dude]

The APFA National Ballot Committee is made up of active line flight attendants? To my knowledge Ron Harris and Gail McKonkey are flight attendants and have served on the NBC for several years, as have Linda Rivas, Leatha Berry, Marti Murchison, Peter Kent, Myrene Sanders, Karyn Goodrich, Karyn Beavers, Leanne Pelzell, Gay Floyd, and Tim Matheson. The only restriction placed on counting ballots is that flight attendants may not count their own base. I'm not sure where you are getting that information about it being prohibited. Per the constitution it is a two year term and interested members in good standing may put their names forward to the APFA BOD for consideration.

 

[latreal]

The APFA National Ballot Committee is made up of active line flight attendants? To my knowledge Ron Harris and Gail McKonkey are flight attendants and have served on the NBC for several years, as have Linda Rivas, Leatha Berry, Marti Murchison, Peter Kent, Myrene Sanders, Karyn Goodrich, Karyn Beavers, Leanne Pelzell, Gay Floyd, and Tim Matheson. The only restriction placed on counting ballots is that flight attendants may not count their own base. I'm not sure where you are getting that information about it being prohibited. Per the constitution it is a two year term and interested members in good standing may put their names forward to the APFA BOD for consideration.

I have an idea where he/she is getting the information from.....
A have a huanch that a certain group is looking for any and all loopholes and discrepancies to attempt to invalidate the vote results.
People say they will live with results but we all know most losers are sore.

 

[skivoodoo]

What I've heard is that they were counting their own base, DFW and IDF.

They know better than that . With the APFA's already questionable election ethics they should have been smarter than this.

 

[TransWorldONE]

I have an idea where he/she is getting the information from.....
A have a huanch that a certain group is looking for any and all loopholes and discrepancies to attempt to invalidate the vote results.
People say they will live with results but we all know most losers are sore.

And John Ward has never invalidated vote results?

 

[woztwa]

I have an idea where he/she is getting the information from.....
A have a huanch that a certain group is looking for any and all loopholes and discrepancies to attempt to invalidate the vote results.
People say they will live with results but we all know most losers are sore.

Don't be insulting, Latreal--it was just a guestion... :boring:
It's 3 to 1 now--and I like those odds

 

[jsn25911]

I don't even respond to Latreal because he doesn't have anything worth responding to.


However, I do appreciate the info from 80dude. I did get the information that they were counting their own bases - and I thought that was against the rules. However, you say they are not. Thanks for the information - I go back to the source and see where the information came from.

 

[s80dude]

I'm glad to provide the info. The national ballot committee is always made up of flight attendants. I just get a little protective of these people because it is a thankless job, counting the ballots and these people are just trying to be of service to their union. They have had a rough couple of days and it is exhausting (I got tired just sitting in the gallery watching these people) and it just seems like a low blow that people would start all these rumors. If I remember, I think Ron counted ORD, IOR, and IDF and spent some time working with the dues arrears ballots on some verification (he is DFW based). I think Gail counted IOR, JFK, LAX and LAXI (and she is IDF based). The counts were recorded as to who counted which base (I think they write it on the call sheet) so if anyone still had concerns they could contact Whitley Penn and they could provide the info.

 

[L1011Ret]

Thank you S80dude for the information. It is always nice to have reliable facts to quell hysteria. People will look into this, but if they were following procedures it is a non issue.

 

[jsn25911]

The APFA National Ballot Committee is made up of active line flight attendants? To my knowledge Ron Harris and Gail McKonkey are flight attendants and have served on the NBC for several years, as have Linda Rivas, Leatha Berry, Marti Murchison, Peter Kent, Myrene Sanders, Karyn Goodrich, Karyn Beavers, Leanne Pelzell, Gay Floyd, and Tim Matheson. The only restriction placed on counting ballots is that flight attendants may not count their own base. I'm not sure where you are getting that information about it being prohibited. Per the constitution it is a two year term and interested members in good standing may put their names forward to the APFA BOD for consideration.

Dude - A friend of mine was at the counting and she said that Linda was suppose to do the counting but there was a switch at the last minute - I told her what you told me and she said that it wasn't documented.

Is she pulling my leg or was there switching going on. I have known her for about 3 years but I don't know if she is truthful or just doesn't want to share things with me because I am TWA. She is AA

 

[jsn25911]

Thanks for giving me the lady's name - I think I would like to call her.

I do appreciate your information. I have heard different reports about this and wondering why this is being kept quiet if it did happen. Or if it didn't happen - why she would address this with me. It is even possible that she didn't understand the procedure and got confused.

 

[jsn25911]

Olay - I think it is only fair to share the information that I have recieved.

First, Each scoring sheet has the two names of the people who scored as well as the name of the caller. The sheet is then bundled and tied to the stack of 50 ballots and secured so that there is indeed a paper trail.

Counters would switch out among themselves to take a break (for example after scoring 1000 ballots). They never count their own bases, never have.

If this is indeed how it occurred than my apologies to Ron and Gail. I have learned a valuable lesson here. I just wrongfully assummed that since the information came from an AA person that there was truth to it.

Never would I want to spread something that was not the truth.

 

[skivoodoo]

FYI, Ron Harris has denied that he counted his own base.

 

[jsn25911]

FYI, Ron Harris has denied that he counted his own base.

Yes, this is the information that I have received.

 

[twasilverbullet]

perhaps this aa lady was just planting a seed to discredit us, think about it.