WN doesn't trust foreign ice, water, lav service

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eolesen said:
Not my job to inform you, fortunately. Maybe you can write Investor Relations and ask.

Or get with your friends at the CDC. Maybe they know?
neither corporate communications or the CDC write airline policies about refilling water tanks.


let me give you the list of cities which are NO FILL ZONES for everyone except WN.





















there.... that was easy.
 
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Always the authority on everything, eh?
Really E?  It took you this long? Or is this sarcasm?  He knows nothing of the insides.  He will claim to know everything...
 
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eolesen said:
Always the authority on everything, eh?
and yet neither you nor anyone else can provide a list of current cities where any carrier other than WN will not buy ice, fill the water tanks, or allow their lavs to be serviced.

this policy of WN's is quite simply a costly means that requires hauling around unnecessary weight while degrading the customer service experience based on a belief that foreign-sourced supplies are not safe and/or can't be delivered based on the same standards that WN would require in the US.
 
Where's the customer inconvenience? They have vacuum lavs, and nobody drinks the water onboard aside perhaps from the coffee, and last time I checked, that's not in huge demand leaving Mexico or the Caribbean.

If anyone knows how to measure something's cost effectiveness, it's WN. Carrying the extra weight does have a cost, but it also balances out against the expense of having to rely on a caterer, the time added to a turn, and probably a few other factors that I am overlooking because I just don't care that much about the issue...

Again, you've latched onto something miniscule, and turned it into the worst decision ever.

Maybe you should put that type of critical thinking and analysis to work and come up with the top ten list of things that DL is doing wrong. You've done it for just about every other airline flying...
 
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Again, you've latched onto something miniscule, and turned it into the worst decision ever.
not exactly... esp. since I never came close to saying so.

It just is a WN action that is clearly specifically targeted to a region of the world which they don't understand so are creating rules that are not only different from the way they operate domestically but also different from the way other carriers operate in Latin America.

and if there were a list of ten best and worst for any carrier - which I haven't provided for ANY carrier - it would include a whole lot more positive things for WN than you would like to see, including the fact that they are expanding to Latin America and DCA and DFW directly against AA while pulling capacity in markets that are most directly competitive with DL.
 
eolesen said:
What makes you think that I care what happens with regard to AA?
You mean not every former airline employee remains a rabid fanboi of their former employer forever?!?

That doesn't compute. Doesn't compute. Doesn't comp . . .
 
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What makes you think that I care what happens with regard to AA?
thousands of posts trying to defend AA mgmt. decisions that are clearly not profitable says otherwise.
 
I think if we were to weigh my posts supporting AA vs. those of yours supporting DL, the scales would be tipping far more in your favor, sir.

But, that said, I've also been quite critical of AA, even when I was still employed there.

Can't say I've ever once seen you criticize anything at DL, other than the moves of the employees who were seeking union representation...

Still, any loyalty I had to AA ended with my last paycheck. I've already got my million mile status and have no desire to go for 2 million. For 2014, it looks like I'll have more miles flown on UA than on AA, and can guarantee it will be that way for 2015.
 
Even in the U.S., passengers will specify "bottled water" when asked what they want to drink; some even specify with no ice.  It is common knowledge (which shows you how wrong common knowledge can be) that the "tap" water on airplanes and the ice even in the U.S.  is full of bad germs and varmints.  I once had a passenger who asked for hot tea, but wanted me to "microwave some bottled water to boiling temperature" to make the tea.  Aside from the fact that I had no dish/cup/vessel that would withstand such treatment, there are no microwaves on any AA a/c other than (I think) the 777s.  All of the ovens are convection, not microwave.
 
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Even in the U.S., passengers will specify "bottled water" when asked what they want to drink; some even specify with no ice.  It is common knowledge (which shows you how wrong common knowledge can be) that the "tap" water on airplanes and the ice even in the U.S.  is full of bad germs and varmints.  I once had a passenger who asked for hot tea, but wanted me to "microwave some bottled water to boiling temperature" to make the tea.  Aside from the fact that I had no dish/cup/vessel that would withstand such treatment, there are no microwaves on any AA a/c other than (I think) the 777s.  All of the ovens are convection, not microwave.
uh, I don't think ANY US airline would serve tap water but the US still requires that water supplies on US registered aircraft be potable. So, no, aircraft water supplies CANNOT e full of bad germs and varmints.

and your point about tea shows that the coffee makers - which also generate hot tea - are connected to the same water system that is used in the lavs.

and if the water supply was full of germs and varmints, I wouldn't want it just boiled. It would need to be treated first.

and the same requirements for potable water require REGARDLESS of where the water is obtained.

and airports around the world, including the ones that other US carriers serve, are capable of producing and providing potable water that meets US government standards for drinkability
 
Keep on believing that, WT...

Do you have any idea how often are those systems actually tested?

Do you have any idea how often airplanes get treated for roaches or other vermin?

At best, an airplane galley gets a deep cleaning once every 20-30 days. That's the level of cleaning a restaurant kitchen should get at least twice a week.

Same thing with roach and pest control. I'd be willing to guess that's still only done every 30-90 days on domestic aircraft.

You probably also believe that all pillows and blankets were washed after every flight, instead of just getting a fluff & fold between flights.

Thank God those were removed. They only got stripped about once a month when the aircraft went thru a periodic cleaning (best practice was every 30 days). And changing out the blankets is a hell of a lot easier than sanitizing the potable water supply.
 
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Q told us above how often water systems are tested.

Are you saying you have access to records showing that some airline isn't doing what they are supposed to do?

pillows and blankets aren't covered by federal law. water systems are.

and there are also laws regarding pest control treatment on aircraft as well.
 
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