Will Cwa Go To The Judge....or Cave In....

[Res]

Currently what is on the table is unacceptable, especially the outsourcing clause...I find it hard to believe that after deregulation there is no govt agcy or special panel to look into US for accountability of where restructuring dollars are going especially with owing money on a govt loan...we are not the only airlines in trouble DL ...UA ...etc.. / never ceases to amaze me....

 

[PHL]

What's unacceptable is a relative term, and highly subjective.

I read about people on this board talking about being reduced to below poverty wages after the proposed concessions. Then I read articles in various print media with actual US employees quoted about having their pay going from mid 100K salaries to low or below 100K salaries. Vacation days being cut from 33 days/year to something lower(and in line with the rest of the US workforce).

Now, I'm fully aware that there are many people in the ranks earning far, far less than the $100K's, but it doesn't serve the unions well to have their own rank and file go public in print with high numbers. You get no sympathy for the rest of the working class who put in 70 hours/week at WalMart or McDonalds to make ends meet.

Since deregulation, it's also not the government's obligation to keep watch on an airline business any more than it is for them to keep an eye any other business. In terms of airlines, that's what the Justice Dept, SEC, FAA and corporate lawyers are for. What more should the govt. be doing in a free market where competition is encouraged? Taxpayers are not here to prop up airlines that can't keep their business in order.

The LCC's are here to stay. As long as their workforce remains junior, or the senior workforce pay is kept in check, the legacy carriers' unions will have to recognize that and adapt. We can blame years of management all we want, but even the best run business can't maintain costs that outweigh it's revenue base.

 

[wench]

1-Vacation Days ARE EARNED AND WELL WORTH IT>>

2- Personally I've never to the point of 100K..

My measley p/t salary a year?Are ya sitting down?

this year will be 22.000.00--

The 'bigboys'In CCY are WAY BEYOND the 100K..salary...

SO choose YOUR battles wisely...

1985-and tooo much time to walk off...

 

[cavalier]

1-Vacation Days ARE EARNED AND WELL WORTH IT>>

2- Personally I've never to the point of 100K..

My measley p/t salary a year?Are ya sitting down?

this year will be 22.000.00--

The 'bigboys'In CCY are WAY BEYOND the 100K..salary...

SO choose YOUR battles wisely...

1985-and tooo much time to walk off...

[post="183982"][/post]​

Forgive me: But your logic is the same as saying:

It costs too much money to cure this cancer I have that they "KNOW" can be cured.

At your salary, you have no excuse left.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Judge Mitchell is not permitted to pick and choose from the proposals. There are two options: Mitchell can "impose" the company's offer or agree to the union(s) proposal. There is no in between.

If the company's S.1113(e) motion is distasteful then the only thing a union can do is obtain a TA before the S.1113(e) motion is "imposed" by the court.

As I said it another thread, ALPA's legal counsel and bankruptcy attorney are 100% certain Judge Mitchell will grant the company's motion because if he does not, the company will violate the ATSB loan guarantee requirements and liquidate in mid-October.

Every reader of my posts on this message board were told that ALPA's advisors believed contracts could have been negotiated at 80 to 85% of the ask before bankruptcy and each day that went by the company proposals would get worse.

We are where we are and each union knew of this problem. We have nobody to blame but our self and now the unions have two choices: accept "imposition" or immediately cut a deal that is better than the S.1113(e) terms.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[noname]

We are where we are and each union knew of this problem. We have nobody to blame but our self and now the unions have two choices: accept "imposition" or immediately cut a deal that is better than the S.1113(e) terms.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

[post="184043"][/post]​

[/quote]
The company and the CWA only met once. Each subsequent scheduled meeting was cancelled. How are we to blame?

 

[DCD]

We are where we are and each union knew of this problem. We have nobody to blame but our self and now the unions have two choices: accept "imposition" or immediately cut a deal that is better than the S.1113(e) terms.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

[post="184043"][/post]​

Choice three: Shut it down and start over. The people who are hard workers will probably be better off.

 

[airbiiguy]

i agree with DCD.

 

[FM2436]

1-Vacation Days ARE EARNED AND WELL WORTH IT>>

2- Personally I've never to the point of 100K..

My measley p/t salary a year?Are ya sitting down?

this year will be 22.000.00--

The 'bigboys'In CCY are WAY BEYOND the 100K..salary...

SO choose YOUR battles wisely...

1985-and tooo much time to walk off...

[post="183982"][/post]​

Is it true you're working part-time and receiving $22,000 a year? That's not to bad for part-time work. How many hours a week do you work? At $6.00 an hour (which is above minimum wage) x 40 hours a week x 52 weeks a year equals $12,480.

 

[FM2436]

Choice three: Shut it down and start over. The people who are hard workers will probably be better off.

[post="184063"][/post]​

Why shut it down when it appears as though this bankruptcy is going to be used as a "starting over" opportunity. Using your thoughts, those employees who will remain with a 150 mainline fleet US Airways will likely continue to work hard and those who will be let go will be better off without US Airways.

 

[DCD]

That's not to bad for part-time work.

[post="184065"][/post]​

Yeah, thats not bad pay at all if you work for a company that has zero respect for their customers and who is sure that they won't have any other choices when they decide to fly.

 

[DCD]

Why shut it down when it appears as though this bankruptcy is going to be used as a "starting over" opportunity. Using your thoughts, those employees who will remain with a 150 mainline fleet US Airways will likely continue to work hard and those who will be let go will be better off without US Airways.

[post="184069"][/post]​

Why take a chance with a different employer? Where to start? Usair is expecting to set a new low standard for pay and benefits. As a legacy carrier evolving into a low cost carrier they still will be burdened with a cost structure that is higher than the New LCC's. Because they don't seem to have the business acumen to exploit their established strengths, the employees will be forced or expected to make up the difference in the form of inferior pay and benefits.

 

[28yrsnojob]

CWA will cave and sell all small cities down the drain to be psa.

 

[MrAeroMan]

Where is it written that small cities deserve jet service and that mainline wages should be there also? Get a grip. Market forces are at work and you're going to see small cities lose service and the jobs that go with it. The writing has been on the wall for a long time so why blame others for your failure to read that writing? Good grief Charlie Brown.

 

[FM2436]

CWA will cave and sell all small cities down the drain to be psa.

[post="184100"][/post]​

I'll bet if those small cities have a choice between either no more US Airways or PSA, they'll take PSA cause they are never going to get Southwest or jetblue.