West Pilots Negotiating Separate?

[STIS]

Hi guys,
First time poster, long time lurker.


Anyway, my friend who works in headquarters says that on Friday last week there was a group of west pilots meeting with management to discuss a "transitional contract" since it seems like the group as a whole won't be coming to a consensus any time soon. Apparently their demands were rather plain except that they want 50% of the incoming A330 orders to go to west.


I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything similar? Are the west pilots trying to negotiate a contract until USAPA can figure things out?

Let's keep this from devolving into east vs west please.

 

[nic4us]

Hi guys,
First time poster, long time lurker.


Anyway, my friend who works in headquarters says that on Friday last week there was a group of west pilots meeting with management to discuss a "transitional contract" since it seems like the group as a whole won't be coming to a consensus any time soon. Apparently their demands were rather plain except that they want 50% of the incoming A330 orders to go to west.


I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything similar? Are the west pilots trying to negotiate a contract until USAPA can figure things out?

Let's keep this from devolving into east vs west please.

Good luck with that bolded part.

Any more intel as to who these West pilots might be? Management pilots, AOL priciples, etc??

usapa would pass a stone if management unilaterally decided it ran the company and made a decision that favored the West.

 

[STIS]

Good luck with that bolded part.

Any more intel as to who these West pilots might be? Management pilots, AOL priciples, etc??

usapa would pass a stone if management unilaterally decided it ran the company and made a decision that favored the West.

From what I gathered it was former members of the HP MEC or something like that... Not management pilots

 

[A320 Driver]

Hi guys,
First time poster, long time lurker.


Anyway, my friend who works in headquarters says that on Friday last week there was a group of west pilots meeting with management to discuss a "transitional contract" since it seems like the group as a whole won't be coming to a consensus any time soon. Apparently their demands were rather plain except that they want 50% of the incoming A330 orders to go to west.


I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything similar? Are the west pilots trying to negotiate a contract until USAPA can figure things out?

Let's keep this from devolving into east vs west please.

Seeing how management flatly turned down any improvements to the East contract without a JCBA, how do you suppose a group of West pilots could pull off something like that?

Simple...they can't.


Driver B)

 

[prechilill]

It's not happening- there is nobody who represents the west pilots outside of USAPA to negotiate with. This is a BS rumor.

 

[STIS]

It's not happening- there is nobody who represents the west pilots outside of USAPA to negotiate with. This is a BS rumor.

My friend isn't one to typically make things up, he says he saw them all logged in on the guest book at the front desk...

 

[nic4us]

Seeing how management flatly turned down any improvements to the East contract without a JCBA, how do you suppose a group of West pilots could pull off something like that?

Simple...they can't.


Driver B)

Simple,

offer a "cost neutral" sollution.

That is what you call and inside joke.

 

[nic4us]

It's not happening- there is nobody who represents the west pilots outside of USAPA to negotiate with. This is a BS rumor.

Probably less of a BS rumor, and more of a misinterpretation of some other event.

For instance, lets say it was a group from flight standards and check airmen, asked to give their evaluation of taking delivery of the next 8 330s to the West to replace the 757 fleet.

There is nothing that needs to be negotiated with usapa, and this hypothetical could easily be misconstrued as West pilots negotiating a deal.

 

[A320 Driver]

Probably less of a BS rumor, and more of a misinterpretation of some other event.

For instance, lets say it was a group from flight standards and check airmen, asked to give their evaluation of taking delivery of the next 8 330s to the West to replace the 757 fleet.

There is nothing that needs to be negotiated with usapa, and this hypothetical could easily be misconstrued as West pilots negotiating a deal.

LOL !!!!!!
Why would you replace 757s with A330s?
Wouldn't it make more sense to replace your aging fleet of 767s before you started expanding Hawaii?

Of course, nothing coming out of Tempe these days would surprise me...

Driver B)

 

[SparrowHawk]

Probably less of a BS rumor, and more of a misinterpretation of some other event.

For instance, lets say it was a group from flight standards and check airmen, asked to give their evaluation of taking delivery of the next 8 330s to the West to replace the 757 fleet.

There is nothing that needs to be negotiated with usapa, and this hypothetical could easily be misconstrued as West pilots negotiating a deal.

That's a reasonable and logical conclusion, so it couldn't possibly be right? Could it?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Hi guys,
First time poster, long time lurker.


Anyway, my friend who works in headquarters says that on Friday last week there was a group of west pilots meeting with management to discuss a "transitional contract" since it seems like the group as a whole won't be coming to a consensus any time soon. Apparently their demands were rather plain except that they want 50% of the incoming A330 orders to go to west.


I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything similar? Are the west pilots trying to negotiate a contract until USAPA can figure things out?

Let's keep this from devolving into east vs west please.

USAPA would just love for the company to make a clandestine side agreement with the nebulous west MEC. What a blatant violation of federal law one would be!

The contract is the contract. I do believe the company can send A330s west if they care to. The problem is that such a decision would not be a profitable one right now. Parker has said on many occasions it may make sense in the future. Parkers is 100% all about the bottom line, everything else be damned....including a bunch of west pilots who want to fly big airplanes just so that they can rub it in the east pilots' faces.

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[Phoenix]

My friend isn't one to typically make things up, he says he saw them all logged in on the guest book at the front desk...

Based on the PHX crew news, I think it is clear that Doug and his lawyers are well aware of the necessity to avoid even an appearance of colluding with any group, and they understand who they can bargain with.

Its a great rumor.

Next rumor is that Leospanker will be announcing the TA they have reached with Doogey Howser.
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[snapthis]

USAPA would just love for the company to make a clandestine side agreement with the nebulous west MEC. What a blatant violation of federal law one would be!

The contract is the contract. I do believe the company can send A330s west if they care to. The problem is that such a decision would not be a profitable one right now. Parker has said on many occasions it may make sense in the future. Parkers is 100% all about the bottom line, everything else be damned....including a bunch of west pilots who want to fly big airplanes just so that they can rub it in the east pilots' faces.

Ain't gonna happen.

I tell you what ain't gonna happen. It's your DOH screw job on the West pilots. We have made USAPA irrelevant and toothless.

It's none of your GD business if a West pilot goes to the HQ. I think that is between the company and that pilot.

Got it?

 

[A320 Driver]

I tell you what ain't gonna happen. It's your DOH screw job on the West pilots. We have made USAPA irrelevant and toothless.

It's none of your GD business if a West pilot goes to the HQ. I think that is between the company and that pilot.

Got it?

Sounds like you snapped alright. I don't think he gives a rat's rear end who goes to headquarters. Make all the trips up there you like. But I doubt there is any deal making going on.

Driver B)

 

[RSVP767]

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Hi guys,
First time poster, long time lurker.


Anyway, my friend who works in headquarters says that on Friday last week there was a group of west pilots meeting with management to discuss a "transitional contract" since it seems like the group as a whole won't be coming to a consensus any time soon. Apparently their demands were rather plain except that they want 50% of the incoming A330 orders to go to west.


I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything similar? Are the west pilots trying to negotiate a contract until USAPA can figure things out?

Let's keep this from devolving into east vs west please.

My guess......it was a bunch of whinning West pilots going in to tattle on the East pilots.

"Ah, Mr. Parker, we saw several East pilots 3 engine taxiing in CLT" Whaaaa, Whaaa, Whaaa.......