US718 PHL-FCO 5/26 returns to PHL

[PHL]

Over on airliners.net, and on flyertalk.com, the scuttlebut is swirling about the A330 that returned to PHL last night after suffering some damage from lightning strikes to an open COMM door.

Anyone care to elaborate more, or clarify what happened? I'm sure there must be some mechanism(s) in place to insure that the aircraft are all buttoned up before pushback, right??

 

[beachboy]

I knew someone on the flight crew. It was already late due to thunderstorms in PHL. About 7 min after takeoff a huge jolt shook the flight and the flight crew was informed there had been a lighting strike. Some instrumentation was lost but later came back online. They were trying to land in EWR but since they were heavy with fuel they decided to circle and go back to PHL. Another hour later they landed with fire trucks as a precaution.
They got another 330 from somewhere and it was recrewed. Scheduling recrewed the cabin crew at first but somehow the pilots were misplaced? :blink: So, at 3am she took off with reserves being woken up at midnight after just going to sleep for an 8 hour flight. This is the exact reason why we need 2 sets of reserves. You can't wake up at 7am and be up all day on call and get ready for bed only to be called at 12 midnight and they expect you to be ready for a long night flight. Unsafe in my view.

 

[flygirl74]

Over on airliners.net, and on flyertalk.com, the scuttlebut is swirling about the A330 that returned to PHL last night after suffering some damage from lightning strikes to an open COMM door.

Anyone care to elaborate more, or clarify what happened? I'm sure there must be some mechanism(s) in place to insure that the aircraft are all buttoned up before pushback, right??

don't know 'bout that but it has been a busy week. 3 767's were supposedly grounded due to a wong part number installed. Also Europe flights leaving late.....

 

[beachboy]

don't know 'bout that but it has been a busy week. 3 767's were supposedly grounded due to a wong part number installed. Also Europe flights leaving late.....

MUC was CXL yesterday and today I saw. At least thats what was listed on the flight boards. If SHARES gives them that info lord only knows. I got the same info. Sorry, but someones head should roll.

 

[tadjr]

MUC was CXL yesterday and today I saw. At least thats what was listed on the flight boards.

Checked in the XI ALL ALL in Decs and it did show MUC-PHL canx today EQBAL as the reason. Did not check the PHL-MUC today though.

 

[PHL Approach]

The aircraft that was struck was 270 and is currently in CLT.

 

[Sally4th]

my apolgies for the dupe thread, dunno how I missed this one.

Does anyone know the status of this aircraft or what A330 flights may get downgraded in the next week? I'm on LGW-PHL end of the week and as much as I birch about the A330 reconfig I'd hate to see an equip swap.

 

[Hope777]

At this point, the aircraft has a return to service time of noon today. It is scheduled to ferry up to PHL later this evening.

 

[ussnark]

At this point, the aircraft has a return to service time of noon today. It is scheduled to ferry up to PHL later this evening.

No, by your own statement the aircraft will not return to service until "later this evening". A "ferry" flight, is, by definition, not a revenue flight and therefore is not considered "in service".

Darn, no wonder the "Tempe morons" and in general wife abusers keep their jobs. We keep it that way by adopting their own weasel words and statements.

 

[PHL]

No, by your own statement the aircraft will not return to service until "later this evening". A "ferry" flight, is, by definition, not a revenue flight and therefore is not considered "in service".

Darn, no wonder the "Tempe morons" and in general wife abusers keep their jobs. We keep it that way by adopting their own weasel words and statements.

A little bit harsh, wouldn't you say? If it's being ferried up "this evening", will it make up a transatlantic flight tonight? If so, then I would give Hope's statement credit. If not, then technically it will be in service tomorrow.

As for what flights got downgraded, my suspicion is that the PHL-SJU leg would get the swap, especially at this time of year. But it's only been a few days, so it hardly seems relevant.

Nobody answered my original question - was the lightning strike damage the result of the comm panel door being open as claimed in the airliners.net thread? If so, how did something like that get missed before pushback?

 

[nycbusdriver]

I knew someone on the flight crew. It was already late due to thunderstorms in PHL. About 7 min after takeoff a huge jolt shook the flight and the flight crew was informed there had been a lighting strike. Some instrumentation was lost but later came back online. They were trying to land in EWR but since they were heavy with fuel they decided to circle and go back to PHL. Another hour later they landed with fire trucks as a precaution.
They got another 330 from somewhere and it was recrewed. Scheduling recrewed the cabin crew at first but somehow the pilots were misplaced? :blink: So, at 3am she took off with reserves being woken up at midnight after just going to sleep for an 8 hour flight. This is the exact reason why we need 2 sets of reserves. You can't wake up at 7am and be up all day on call and get ready for bed only to be called at 12 midnight and they expect you to be ready for a long night flight. Unsafe in my view.

The FAA and the airlines somehow have the concept that international flight deck crew members are ALWAYS asleep when not on duty. This way they can magically be totally awake and refreshed no matter what ungodly hour the telephone rings. And the travelling public is happily oblivious to the fact that this is how it works and has always worked. At some point chance will catch up, and the FAA and the airlines will immediately start pointing blame in other directions for a few weeks until the headlines disappear. Then, business (playing the odds) as usual will resume. And the passengers will, as usual, return in droves.

 

[FenixFlyer3]

in general wife abusers keep their jobs.

Does that include you? Or are you just a general a-hole who jumps on people's back because of their terminology?

God forbid someone drop a spoon in your house, you might throw them through a window.

An aircraft is returned to service when maintenance is finished working on it. It just so happens that the routers at OCC chose to ferry it to PHL rather than put it on a live flight. Big whoop.

 

[ussnark]

A little bit harsh, wouldn't you say? If it's being ferried up "this evening", will it make up a transatlantic flight tonight? If so, then I would give Hope's statement credit. If not, then technically it will be in service tomorrow.

Technically, it is in service when it is ready to convey paying passengers, by definition, and not when it is being "ferried" around the system.

Hope stated it was "in service" at noon, not 1300 nor any time after that. She/he did not state it was in service "this evening" or tomorrow.

That is weasel language which is very characteristic of this management, and you are buying into it.

I also might remind you that international is 24/7, not Monday through Friday nor 8 to 5. This evening is this evening, which might make it ready for a Manchester at 8pm or a Manchester at 2 am. I know this is a surprise for many of you, but, contrary to this management, the operation goes on all night. Even maintenance is performed (or should be) all night. Surprise, surprise!

 

[ussnark]

Does that include you? Or are you just a general a-hole who jumps on people's back because of their terminology?

Terminology? I have no problem with them being wife abusers as a certain percent of any population will be that way. The fact that they happened to gather together in Tempe is beyond my concern.

I do, however, have a problem being dragged along with the abusees who allow themselves to be constantly abused.

God forbid someone drop a spoon in your house, you might throw them through a window.

Is dropping a spoon the same as conceding 75% of ones salary, seniority, 100% of ones retirement? I don't get it. Are you comparing spoons to guns?

An aircraft is returned to service when maintenance is finished working on it. It just so happens that the routers at OCC chose to ferry it to PHL rather than put it on a live flight. Big whoop.

Ain't a lot of 330 flights out of CLT, now, are there? The "routers chose"? Naw. The schedule "made" that decision, not the "routers".

 

[700UW]

Nark,

You are wrong, when the airplane is fixed and paperwork completed it is considered back in service, RTS (return to service) is what it is called.

No matter if it sits as an RON, ferries to make up a later flight or goes right back for a flight, US Airways considers the airplane back in service and available.