US (Express) to fly YUL-CLT

[BoeingBoy]

I couldn't understand why US/AL didn't respond.

Recall that well into the 90's US had "RJ's" in it's mainline fleet - the F28's.

Jim

 

[BuffaloJoe]

Recall that well into the 90's US had "RJ's" in it's mainline fleet - the F28's.

Jim

They were still in the fleet as of April 2000. I flew on one of them down to ORF. AA had them to for their ORD ops. How much smaller was the BAC 1-11's? I would say they'd be an RJ before a F28. My favorite still is the MD80. I flew out of MDT on AA to ORD-SJC. I was on the first flight of the day as the MD80 RON'd in MDT. They had some freezing rain during the night and we taxied out onto the runway and the pilot warned us that he was going to run up the engines at the end to check everything out. OK then he powerered them down and said everything went OK. We sat there at the end of the runway for about another minute or so, then they began to rev them up again, about 10 seconds into it, they let go of the brakes, we all went back in the seat. Never experienced that in an MD80 before like that. On the way back from SJC they have to do a loop to get over SFO traffic. I was on an AA 757 to ORD and the flight wasn't that full, we took off and that 757 climbed like a rocket, we didn't do the loop. Also those UA Re-engined DC-8's threw you back.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

They were still in the fleet as of April 2000. I flew on one of them down to ORF. AA had them to for their ORD ops.
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The aircraft you are thinking about is the F-100, basically a stretched and re-engined F-28. A whole thread could be devoted to its merits - or lack thereof. When the F-100s were parkedin 2002, many people thought the move came about 10 years too late.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thanks, DCMS.

Buffalo Joe,

As DCMS said, AA only flew the F100 "version" of the F28. US retired the BAC-111 and Bae-146's in the early 90's, about the time RJ's were entering airline's express fleets, so I didn't mention them. I don't recall specificly how many seats the US BAC-111's had, but it was 80-something I think. Two versions of the F28 were operated, the 1000 and the 4000 model. They carried 65/75 passengers respectively in all coach, then became 63/73 total when PI put in FC (which remained the configuration after the PI/US merger).

Jim

 

[BuffaloJoe]

Thanks, DCMS.

Buffalo Joe,

As DCMS said, AA only flew the F100 "version" of the F28. US retired the BAC-111 and Bae-146's in the early 90's, about the time RJ's were entering airline's express fleets, so I didn't mention them. I don't recall specificly how many seats the US BAC-111's had, but it was 80-something I think. Two versions of the F28 were operated, the 1000 and the 4000 model. They carried 65/75 passengers respectively in all coach, then became 63/73 total when PI put in FC (which remained the configuration after the PI/US merger).

Jim

Jim, Thanks for the explanaton. I never realized that there were 2 versions of the F28 that US had. I remember during spring break in the early '80's I flew Altair to Florida, and they were bragging that their fleet was brand new. I even think that was 1980-1982ish. Thanks for the update, it brought out some wonderful memories, even some mischievous ones.

 

[DHG750R]

There were 3 versions of Fokkers flown by US .
The F28-1000 had 67 seats and the F28-4000 had 72 seats. and of course the F-100's . At one time there were as many as 85 Fokkers in the fleet. Also , Dont forget those little jets from the left coast .... the Bae146's

 

[DHG750R]

Thanks, DCMS.
I don't recall specificly how many seats the US BAC-111's had, but it was 80-something I think.
Jim

89 seats in the BAC's all coach Interestingly there is one still in full colors somewhere in MCO..


http://www.airliners.net/photo/BAC-111-204...even/1338359/L/

 

[WCT]

Do we fly any mainline fligths to YUL out of PHL? Wish we would start YUL out of PHX.

 

[FutureUScapt]

Do we fly any mainline fligths to YUL out of PHL? Wish we would start YUL out of PHX.

Not presently; there were 2 E190 flights to PHL as late as last fall but those have since been downgraded to 2 E175s, which appears to be the way it'll stay throughout the summer.



As an aside, the "mainline RJs" or F-28s that Jim was referring to were retired at the end of 8/97, while the larger F-100 variant soldiered on until 4/02.

 

[jimcfs]

As an aside, the "mainline RJs" or F-28s that Jim was referring to were retired at the end of 8/97, while the larger F-100 variant soldiered on until 4/02.

Weren't the F-100's supposed to be the replacement for the DC-9 in the East fleet (at least at that time in the late 90s)?

What was the reason they were finally removed? IIRC, didn't Fokker go out of business (or declare BK or the like) and for some reason replacement/maintenance parts weren't available, thus the reason to stop flying them.

I'm sure post-9/11 was a reason they're gone, but they really weren't that bad a ride. I did prefer the DC-9 however, especially up front.

 

[700UW]

Parts we available, Stork bought that part of Fokker.

They were high lease costs, they had some maintenance problems, landing gear and cooling systems and it was part of getting the fleet types down.