US Airways to Begin New York-San Juan Service

[RowUnderDCA]

Didn't someone post that SJU was just barely within the current LGA perimeter? If it isn't maybe the Feds have a deal where they just don't look that closely at what the Port does. Oh well.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's fine that U is going to fly the route. I just don't think that the Port or any local government should be able to tell airlines where they can fly without a legitimate proprietary interest that trumps interstate or international commerce (such as a clear perimeter-type rule that segregates traffic within a multi-airport system that experiences congestion).

 

[phllax]

FYI, there is no perimeter rule on Saturday. That is why AA and UA were able to offer Saturday only flights to the Colorado ski resorts years past.

 

[Ch. 12]

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On 7/17/2003 1:37:27 PM ITRADE wrote:

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Allow me to disagree. Good move.

The fact that the fare is once a week means that US is not attempting to fully compete and steal business away. The flight is a leisure flight with prices set where US will set them. The flight is also based upon the convenience factor of departing from LGA instead of JFK.

For those passengers that are US FFs, want to stay with US, but were pursuaded by the fact that AA and JB had non-stoppers out of JFK, this direct appeals to them.

This was a smart move.

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My point isn''t that there won''t be demand. The issue is that US will be forced to set fares wherever jetBlue or AA set theirs (or at least within close proximity) therefore they will not be "prices set where US will set them" but rather prices set where AA will set them. Due to that, I will venture to say that all carriers flights at this time slot on Saturdays will be money losers. AA and JB can absorb these losses throughout the rest of their extensive schedule during the remainder of the week. US has to absorb them into the rest of their system...an added cost that they currently don''t need. U isn''t in the position to slash fares to rock-bottom levels while taking on LCC''s head-on and still turn a profit.

Bad Move.​

 

[757fixer]

I think BDL to SJU would be a good choice.There is a large hispanic population in this area.Years ago we use to have a BDL-PHL-SJU flight that did well.Then came AA with a daily nonstop and in typical US fashion,why compete when you can run.Now AA has two or three flights a day.

 

[weatherman]

I think PVD could easily support daily nonstop service to SJU. I think U should at least consider a Sat only service at first. Yields should be good on the route. I think AA really should look at PVD - SJU and PVD - MIA.

 

[BDLDFW]

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Then came AA with a daily nonstop and in typical US fashion,why compete when you can run.
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What do you mean "Then came AA"? AA has flown BDL-SJU for at least 15 years. Has U even been in SJU that long?

 

[LGA777]

The JFK-SJU market has less capacity in it now than in many years past and yet the demand for NYC-SJU market is HUGE and
not just the cruise market. US will do very well with this flight and if it was not for the perimenter rule it would probably be daily, and in the future who knows. Getting the NY and NJ Port Authority to waive SJU would be much more likely than the LGA to LAX and SFO service that was discussed in another thread a few weeks ago.

 

[N628AU]

Ch. 12...

With all the bad that has occured, I have not seen any of the new Carribean on Ireland flying seem to miss the mark. I''ll give the Keystone Kops in CCY this one. If it keeps US FFs happy alone, it will be worth it.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Itrade:

Your Bite me post was great.

Chip

 

[BDLDFW]

FWIW, AA has been flying BDL-SJU nonstop since around 87 or 88, and until a few years ago with the A300.

 

[ITRADE]

Whats the distance from LGA to DEN? UA has 5x dailys to DEN.

 

[757fixer]

I don''t know how long AA has been flying BDL to SJU.But I belive it was about 8 years ago it became a non-stop.At that time we had a one-stop thru PHL.And like I said,we didn''t even try to compete.Just left with a wimper.

 

[ITRADE]

Hmmm....Wonder if its possible to do a slot-swap without breaking any grandfathering clauses.

UA gives US one slot for daily LGA-SJU service and US gives UA one or two slots for ORD service - or something like that.

 

[ITRADE]

Folks need to remember that a part of the forumla for AA''s flights out of non-hub cities to SJU is not only the fact that certain cities may have a large contingent of Puerto Rican ex-pats, but also that AA has a hub or focus city at SJU. Thus, a lot of passengers are not SJU O/Ders but are connecting to SKB, ANU, BGI, and the like.

 

[sdavis29]

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On 7/18/2003 8:28:22 AM ITRADE wrote:


Whats the distance from LGA to DEN? UA has 5x dailys to DEN.

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LGA-DEN
degrees: 278
nautical miles: 1413
statute miles: 1606
kilometers: 2274

LGA-SJU
degrees: 161
nautical miles: 1408
statute miles: 1591
kilometers: 2253

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