Us Airways Pilots Sharply Divided
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willyloman
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Polack is just a mgt b666h.BoeingBoy said:
USA320Pilot
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This article does not do the meeting justice. The meeting was much worse with no, I repeat, no RC4/C4 supporters at the MEC meeting.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
Phoenix
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USA320Pilot said:
Interesting. The guys with enough seniority to be able to arrange their schedule to make an MEC meeting think differently than the ones with a lower seniority that requires them to use an email or phone call to communicate with their leaders.
Interesting.
Thanks for the facts.
Respectruly,
Phoenix
mwereplanes
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The supporters of the courageous 4 have no reason to be at the meeting.
We know what our reps are going to do. We have told them what we want them to do. And they are doing it. Some don't understand the power of the majority. Or the courage it takes to stand for the best that can be had under dire circumstances.
Personally, I know precisely what is going on in both open and close sessions shortly after those sessions happen. Kind of cool. No one - and I mean no one - can spin like 320. One does have to give him credit for that. "From his perch" he sees things in his own light. The light of fear and panic. And it is his right to do so.
But that's OK. His fear and panic strengthen the resolve of our side. When they see him spin like a top with his eyes darting like a chipmunk running from a cat they know they are on the right track. He's kind of like a barometer. He give our boys strength and resolve. And just a bit of humor.
Don't you just love messing with him?
mr
We know what our reps are going to do. We have told them what we want them to do. And they are doing it. Some don't understand the power of the majority. Or the courage it takes to stand for the best that can be had under dire circumstances.
Personally, I know precisely what is going on in both open and close sessions shortly after those sessions happen. Kind of cool. No one - and I mean no one - can spin like 320. One does have to give him credit for that. "From his perch" he sees things in his own light. The light of fear and panic. And it is his right to do so.
But that's OK. His fear and panic strengthen the resolve of our side. When they see him spin like a top with his eyes darting like a chipmunk running from a cat they know they are on the right track. He's kind of like a barometer. He give our boys strength and resolve. And just a bit of humor.
Don't you just love messing with him?
mr
A320,
Give it up already. It does not matter whether the pilots reach an agreement or not. The pilots do not make up the whole company and "ROY and BUCK" have already stated that they have to have EVERY group on the premises with agreements by Sept. 30 not that they really wanted them in the first place.
From the looks of it, the smart pilots are of the same opinion as the rest of the employees. NO means NO. It's not going to happen so you better take some of the time that you use to post here and get your ducks in a row.
Give it up already. It does not matter whether the pilots reach an agreement or not. The pilots do not make up the whole company and "ROY and BUCK" have already stated that they have to have EVERY group on the premises with agreements by Sept. 30 not that they really wanted them in the first place.
From the looks of it, the smart pilots are of the same opinion as the rest of the employees. NO means NO. It's not going to happen so you better take some of the time that you use to post here and get your ducks in a row.
EyeInTheSky
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Not what I heard.USA320Pilot said:
Point--Counter Point
Fellow pilots,
Negotiations are high stakes and do require stable, steady leadership.
Sadly, Captain Pollock has become emotionally overwrought and has
inappropriately amplified our situation to the detriment of the entire
pilot group.
I tried to warn Captain Pollock of his declining skill level in my
communication of August 10. I warned Bill that his response to the
on-going stress of negotiations threatens our focus, our unity, and the
successful outcome of our efforts. Bill did not reply. I cautioned
Bill that his strident and shrill tone and message of doom and gloom
clouded his ability to evaluate new ideas.
Now, Bill has defined the bad guys as certain of his fellow MEC
members. His judgement on the last Code a phone update has put his
own despair and impaired judgement into the public realm. Assigning
blame for a predicted but not yet real negative outcome of the
negotiating process has become his focal point, whereas many of us are
still struggling to improve and position for that best possible
outcome.
Leadership demands communication. Good leadership works out of the
public spotlight to nurture consensus. His 30 August code a phone was
reprehensible! Every reporter, writer, business analyst, and, of
course, everyone in management has heard his lament.
I represent the largest pilot group yet I get very few phone calls from
Bill Pollock. Bill rants about his perception of what I am trying to
achieve for the pilots, and yet, he has neither asked for an
explanation, nor attempted to persuade me on his viewpoint. Likewise,
certain representatives of the other major councils have very little
communication with Bill. Is this not outrageous? Can you imagine the
leader of any other organization who fails to communicate with members
of his group?
Bill's emotional state leaves him incapable of even reporting the
facts. I have held Bill accountable for misinformation in the past,
but that implies intent. At this point Bill's judgement is shredded to
the point of being incoherent. He belittles a grueling six hour
meeting as insufficient when he called the meeting for 6pm. Though we
may fly red-eyes, recent, painful history tells us we do not make good
business decisions in the middle of the night. The giveaway of the DB
plan in the wee hours of the morning, of which Bill was a part, is a
wound that has not even begun to heal.
Is the disunity and panic Bill is spewing good for our pilot group?
Perhaps the attached communication of a similar challenge at UAL will
reinforce our thinking and dispel the fear to which Bill has clearly
succumbed. Note the strong leadership traits displayed in his
communication.
The above message was sent from a member of the MEC. The real MEC, not the wannabe's.
Fellow pilots,
Negotiations are high stakes and do require stable, steady leadership.
Sadly, Captain Pollock has become emotionally overwrought and has
inappropriately amplified our situation to the detriment of the entire
pilot group.
I tried to warn Captain Pollock of his declining skill level in my
communication of August 10. I warned Bill that his response to the
on-going stress of negotiations threatens our focus, our unity, and the
successful outcome of our efforts. Bill did not reply. I cautioned
Bill that his strident and shrill tone and message of doom and gloom
clouded his ability to evaluate new ideas.
Now, Bill has defined the bad guys as certain of his fellow MEC
members. His judgement on the last Code a phone update has put his
own despair and impaired judgement into the public realm. Assigning
blame for a predicted but not yet real negative outcome of the
negotiating process has become his focal point, whereas many of us are
still struggling to improve and position for that best possible
outcome.
Leadership demands communication. Good leadership works out of the
public spotlight to nurture consensus. His 30 August code a phone was
reprehensible! Every reporter, writer, business analyst, and, of
course, everyone in management has heard his lament.
I represent the largest pilot group yet I get very few phone calls from
Bill Pollock. Bill rants about his perception of what I am trying to
achieve for the pilots, and yet, he has neither asked for an
explanation, nor attempted to persuade me on his viewpoint. Likewise,
certain representatives of the other major councils have very little
communication with Bill. Is this not outrageous? Can you imagine the
leader of any other organization who fails to communicate with members
of his group?
Bill's emotional state leaves him incapable of even reporting the
facts. I have held Bill accountable for misinformation in the past,
but that implies intent. At this point Bill's judgement is shredded to
the point of being incoherent. He belittles a grueling six hour
meeting as insufficient when he called the meeting for 6pm. Though we
may fly red-eyes, recent, painful history tells us we do not make good
business decisions in the middle of the night. The giveaway of the DB
plan in the wee hours of the morning, of which Bill was a part, is a
wound that has not even begun to heal.
Is the disunity and panic Bill is spewing good for our pilot group?
Perhaps the attached communication of a similar challenge at UAL will
reinforce our thinking and dispel the fear to which Bill has clearly
succumbed. Note the strong leadership traits displayed in his
communication.
The above message was sent from a member of the MEC. The real MEC, not the wannabe's.
I was under the assumption that the representatives were elected by the MAJORITY of their base and represented the MAJORITY of said pilots. So what is the problem? I understand the senority issue and how a few senior people would gladly toss some junior ones out the door for a buck or two!!!!!! But don't forget........Majority Rules!!!!! 
OP
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AP Tech,
I think once elected, the reps are supposed to represent all their constituents (that spelling doesn't look anywhere near right). The problem now is that there are two pretty sharply divided camps - the "any agreement at any cost and now" and the "not just no but Hell No" - and representing both is somewhat difficult. Throw in the fact that many of the more vocal critics of the "RC4" are not based in PIT or PHL, and hence carry no leverage with those reps, and you get the picture - use hysterics to try to accomplish what you can't achieve legitimately.
Jim
I think once elected, the reps are supposed to represent all their constituents (that spelling doesn't look anywhere near right). The problem now is that there are two pretty sharply divided camps - the "any agreement at any cost and now" and the "not just no but Hell No" - and representing both is somewhat difficult. Throw in the fact that many of the more vocal critics of the "RC4" are not based in PIT or PHL, and hence carry no leverage with those reps, and you get the picture - use hysterics to try to accomplish what you can't achieve legitimately.
Jim
mlt said:
It would seem the is no Einstein factor at work in the pilot group but indeed the Einstein factor is alive and well in this conniving management team, they are masters and the fiddle player sprays his fire on the pilots.
So much for highly educated men having common sense.
