Us Airways Mechanics Do Not Expect Giveback Deal

[pitguy]

On Apr 28 2004, 01:07 AM A320 Driver posted the following:

"... It was a...mistake for me to respond to it.... This is not the time or place to discuss these issues and nothing good will come of any of this.... For my part in this, I am deeply sorry. My goal was to calm fears. The result was quite the opposite.... I have no knowledge or clue ....

I'm placing myself in the cornfield for good. You folks have at it. I've had enough.


Over and out. "



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WELL WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE A320 Driver ?

 

[bobcat]

The ONLY reason that the CWA voted for more concessions is that management had everyone believing that they would get a $20,000 buyout. What a joke! No one will get a buyout and if by some small miracle they do, not much will be left after taxes and insurance payment for a year. There are a lot of very stupid people in the CWA. Management really pulled the wool over their eyes. Word of caution to the IAM....DON"T BE FOOLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[A320 Driver]

WELL WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE A320 Driver ?



Cuz it's so much fun and your such an easy target!

A320 Driver 😛

 

[pitguy]

I figure it is because you are not a man of your word.

 

[A320 Driver]

I figure it is because you are not a man of your word.

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Now that hurts, I mean way down deep. This place is so full of truthful well-meaning individuals...real deep thinkers. I feel so out of place living in the shadow of so much enlightenment.

Stones...glass houses. Ring a bell?

A320 Driver 🙄

 

[Rico]

Who said anything about replacing line mechanics...?

I said it would be easy to replace Utility fairly quickly with the use of contractors or other work groups like is done in the remainder of the company.

And there is no difficulty in outsourcing heavy MNX, you just ferry the plane over to the place. That is kinda the point of the exercise, that someone else can do it for you...

Yet what I was trying to explain to fliboi earlier, is that the IAM is not going anywhere, they will still be here, representing FSA and Mechanics. Remember, a contract being abrogated does not remove the union, nor does it negate their primary repsonsibility ---> to save as many jobs as possible.

I know you expect a rah rah "look for the union label" type of strike in which the entire company would be shut down. But why would the IAM lose all 9000 member's jobs forever, rather than the smaller percentage now...?

I am sorry to see any positions go, but just like mechanics doing pushbacks, the time has come to change the way we do things to save the jobs of the remaining IAM members.

Hello, this is the real world calling.

 

[amt4u]

Great to see that AFL-CIO unity in action.

The AFA is right, ALPA should be thrown out, you guys have been the biggest scabs for years.

Guess you didnt learn anything from Lorenzo. After you guys scab on the mechanics they will come back again after you guys.

Hey how long do you think it would take the company to train ex-mechanics to fly those things? If they can fix them they can learn to fly them, hell a lot more people can drive cars than fix them. An airplane is just another machine. Hell didnt they replace monkeys with pilots in the space program?Once they were sure that monkeys could handle the job they gave the pilots a try.

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bob owens; very well put, it does not take much to fly airplanes,
pilots can impress baby junior and granny, most people that are familiar with
aviation, knows, just about any mechanic working the line with avionics experience in very short time can be fully qualified to be work the right seat .( call the check list, ,throw flaps and gears)
hell its nothing to it.

a320pilot ; nothing personal (if you are a pilot)

 

[deano]

bob owens; very well put, it does not take much to fly airplanes,
pilots can impress baby junior and granny, most people that are familiar with
aviation, knows, just about any mechanic working the line with avionics experience in very short time can be fully qualified to be work the right seat .( call the check list, ,throw flaps and gears)
hell its nothing to it.

a320pilot ; nothing personal (if you are a pilot)

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He is a pilot and a deep thinker, ask him.

 

[A320 Driver]

I just thought it sounded cool and the girls seem to like it.

A320 Driver 😀

 

[pitguy]

Now that hurts, I mean way down deep. This place is so full of truthful well-meaning individuals...real deep thinkers. I feel so out of place living in the shadow of so much enlightenment.

Stones...glass houses. Ring a bell?

A320 Driver 🙄

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And your one of them. You must be proud. I feel at least you should do as you said you would.

 

[A320 Driver]

Pilot: One who stacks piles. Usually works with a woodcutter.


A320 Driver 😛

 

[deano]

Pilot: One who stacks piles. Usually works with a woodcutter.
A320 Driver 😛

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For you, deep thinker.


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2. a person who steers a ship.
3. Aeron. a person duly qualified to operate an airplane, balloon, or other aircraft.
4. a guide or leader: the pilot of the expedition.
5. See coast pilot (def. 1).
6. See pilot light (def. 1).
7. Mach. a guide for centering or otherwise positioning two adjacent parts, often consisting of a projection on one part fitting into a recess in the other.
8. Railroads. cowcatcher.
9. Also called pilot film, pilot tape. Television. a prototypical filmed or taped feature, produced with hopes of network adoption as a television series and aired to test potential viewer interest and attract sponsors.
10. a preliminary or experimental trial or test: The school will offer a pilot of its new computer course.
–v.t.
11. to steer.
12. to lead, guide, or conduct, as through unknown places, intricate affairs, etc.
13. to act as pilot on, in, or over.
14. to be in charge of or responsible for: We're looking for someone to pilot the new project.
–adj.
15. serving as an experimental or trial undertaking prior to full-scale operation or use: a pilot project.
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—Syn. 2. helmsman. 13. maneuver, manage.

 

[A320 Driver]

It was a joke...get it, pilot (pile it)/woodcutter. Oh forget it.

-_-

 

[Bob Owens]

I see why you call your self PHANTOM! Usair will not fail, TAKE THAT TO THE BANK! Some people dig their grave with a shovel, IAM just used a back Hoe! For those of you who continue to use threats as if US cannot survive without IAM your gonna see your dead wrong. There are thousand sand thousands of laid off mechs, wholl jump at the chance, This is becoming a basic legal matter, and based on legalities alone, there will either be a us without IAM or a USAIR with IAM . Plan simple, Reality! Bark all you want! WOOF WOOF!

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You can give all the concessions you want, but USAIR is history.

I remember about 15 years ago being sent over to Pan Ams vast maintenance facility at JFK to get a piece of Hydraulic tubing made up. We went to the shop which was on a veranda overlooking the hangar floor. In the hangar was a big old 747 undergoing a heavy check. There was movement and sound all over the place. We got into a conversation about Pan Ams difficulties with the old timer running the shop. He claimed that Pan Am would be around forever.

Some people just cant handle the truth.

Are there thousands of laid off mechanics? Yes, but most have found work elsewhere and have no intentions on coming back. Mechanics usually do not remain unemployed for very long, even during bad economic times, one of the benifits of A&P training is that it exposes us to Hydraulic, pneumatic, electrical and mechanical principles. Our skills are transferrable to many many other fields, even if they are not as much fun or as easy as working on airplanes. If you look at a schematic for a washing machine or an airplane, there are more similarities than differences, if you can fix an airplane you can fix anything.

At the airline where I work we are starting to see more and more guys quit, we had two at my station quit last week, they went to Con Ed. In addition to the mechanics off the floor quitting we have had several crew chiefs quit, some went to Jet Blue, another started his own air conditioning business, our Quality assurance manager quit and went to Jet Blue and our station manager quit and went to DHL. More and more are actively making preparations to leave also. Most are looking to leave the industry.

So maybe when you are cruising along I hope you find comfort in the fact that the people who you think fixed your airplane are the least motivated ones who are willing to do it for next to nothing. I guess the company will try to suspend the drug tests because thats the only people that are going to be willing to work for what the airlines want to pay. The first maintenance related crash will be the final nail in the coffin for USAIR.

 

[Bob Owens]

Rico,Jan 4 2005, 03:05 AM]
Who said anything about replacing line mechanics...?

I said it would be easy to replace Utility fairly quickly with the use of contractors or other work groups like is done in the remainder of the company.


You mean like plumbers and electricians? The fact is that they get a lot more than airline employees do.

And there is no difficulty in outsourcing heavy MNX, you just ferry the plane over to the place. That is kinda the point of the exercise, that someone else can do it for you...

And all of a sudden all that extra overhaul capacity is going to appear overnight?

Yet what I was trying to explain to fliboi earlier, is that the IAM is not going anywhere, they will still be here, representing FSA and Mechanics. Remember, a contract being abrogated does not remove the union, nor does it negate their primary repsonsibility ---> to save as many jobs as possible.

When did that become their primary responsiblity? Funny but I've never seen that in any Union Constitution "Lower wages to save jobs". Thats sounds like something from the RTW commmittee, not a union.

I know you expect a rah rah "look for the union label" type of strike in which the entire company would be shut down. But why would the IAM lose all 9000 member's jobs forever, rather than the smaller percentage now...?

Sadly you are correct here. The IAM lost 25% of their membership between the last two conventions, they will do whatever they can to keep the dues flow going, no matter how it hurts the members.

I am sorry to see any positions go, but just like mechanics doing pushbacks, the time has come to change the way we do things to save the jobs of the remaining IAM members.

In reality all the IAM is doing is trying to save the jobs of IAM officials.

Hello, this is the real world calling.

Real world? No way. No you are trying to sell a fanstasy that one more round of concessions will save the company. Let it die, SWA pays better anyway.