Unrest At Alaskan Air?

Nightwatch

Veteran
Jun 8, 2004
888
2
*copied from the-mechanic forum board
Received: 09/13/04 08:30:43 EDT
Name: Stomped
E-Mail:
Employer: Alaska Airlines
Location: Oakland LINE
Message:
I had thought that AMFA was not the kind of union that would engage in backroom deals and cronyism. I thought wrong.

The same day of the shocking announcement that Alaska Airlines had suddenly closed its Oakland Maintenance base, our union representative (and I use that term loosely) came out to the Oakland Line to tell us that around the end of the month more senior base employees would be displacing us. He then went on to say how unclear the union agreement was even though it plainly states in black and white that after first trying to displace the most junior employee at his own station, “…in the event of a lay off involving forty (40) or more employees, the employees affected must displace the most junior employee in his own classification on the SYSTEM.†Not only did he claim that Oakland Line was the same station as Oakland Base, but he also said that he got the company to agree that the contract language wasn’t fair to more senior employees. He then went on to say that he felt more senior employees should have the right to first bump junior employees at San Francisco Line as well.

Well my friends that is where this so-called union rep really tipped his hand. It turns out that he may not have the seniority to bump to Oakland Line but he will likely have the seniority to bump to San Francisco Line. You don’t get much more blatantly self-serving as that.

To top things off, I went to look for what exactly classifies a location as a station. I mean they closed Oakland Base not Oakland Line so right there is a huge difference. We also have a very different management structure from the hangar as a line station. Yes, we do all share the same airport but they are in a totally separate hangar on a separate field (North Field) that the puddle jumpers use. Whenever we needed help from the hangar boys they usually kicked and screamed acting like not only were we a separate station, but we were a different airline as well! Heck, we even use different uniforms than the base employees.

It turns out that the only definition of the term “station†that I could find was in a section of the company’s General Procedures Manual (GPM) which is THE document that we must follow for our maintenance program as we can be fined or even shut down by the FAA if we don’t. That section states:

“Alaska Airlines (ASA) stations are classified in accordance with the level of maintenance performed at the station.â€

The real kicker is that this same GPM section lists Oakland Line not only as a separate station from Oakland-Main Base, but it also lists it as a totally different class of station. Oakland Line is shown as a class B station just like San Francisco, Los Angeles, and even Anchorage. Oakland – Main Base is (or was) the only remaining class A station for Alaska Airlines.

In other words, a location’s management structure, its station or city code, whether or not it shares the same building/field/airport/geographic region, or even the look of its uniforms are all irrelevant. The deciding factor of what classifies a location as a station is the type of maintenance it performs.

So there you have it. Unless AMFA national steps in and provides us with truly unbiased representation, AMFA has shown its true colors. While I certainly respect the importance of seniority, I don’t believe that seniority rule should be used as an excuse to violate our union agreement to further the interests of a select few and stomp on the rights of more junior employees. I have seen where airlines have used seniority rule to divide our trade and shut down maintenance base after maintenance base laying off layer after layer of junior employees in a death by a thousand cuts.

You may have heard of the term “the tyranny of the majority.†Well now we have “the tyranny of seniority.†To my great disappointment, AMFA has taken that tyranny to a whole new level.


It will be different with AMFA!..Yeah right you bozos.
 
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #2
Received: 09/13/04 13:41:14 EDT
Name: AMT
E-Mail:
Employer:
Location:
Message:
AMFA gets 30 minutes warning before Alaska management pulls the plug on its amt's?

It looks like AMFA & Rodney Dangerfield get no respect!

USAir - God be with you.
 
Still on night shift I see NightWatch. I find it amazing that the twu lovers seem to revel in what has happened to our brothers at Alaskan rather than pounding the company for what they are doing. I suppose the twu's idea is that all airlines employees should offer concessions for raises of airline execs and twu international officers, long before the #### hits the fan, God bless them. At any rate the twu in-house outsourcing and concessions without a fight has just about caught up to the entire industry!!!
 
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #4
They are your amfa brothers, not mine, but I do feel sympathetic to them for their decisions. I see you are still blaming the TWU, even for events that occurred at amfa repped airlines, great insight on your part.

Our, or should I state my, revelling is in the fact that amfa's ineptness is starting to really shine through! Amfa's history just gets better and better...HAHAHA
 
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #6
You can take that to the bank...bruddah! You amfa guys and I are certainly NOT RELATED.
 
Nightwatch said:
*copied from the-mechanic forum board
Received: 09/13/04 08:30:43 EDT
Name: Stomped
E-Mail:
Employer: Alaska Airlines
Location: Oakland LINE
Message:
I had thought that AMFA was not the kind of union that would engage in backroom deals and cronyism. I thought wrong.

The same day of the shocking announcement that Alaska Airlines had suddenly closed its Oakland Maintenance base, our union representative (and I use that term loosely) came out to the Oakland Line to tell us that around the end of the month more senior base employees would be displacing us. He then went on to say how unclear the union agreement was even though it plainly states in black and white that after first trying to displace the most junior employee at his own station, “…in the event of a lay off involving forty (40) or more employees, the employees affected must displace the most junior employee in his own classification on the SYSTEM.†Not only did he claim that Oakland Line was the same station as Oakland Base, but he also said that he got the company to agree that the contract language wasn’t fair to more senior employees. He then went on to say that he felt more senior employees should have the right to first bump junior employees at San Francisco Line as well.

Well my friends that is where this so-called union rep really tipped his hand. It turns out that he may not have the seniority to bump to Oakland Line but he will likely have the seniority to bump to San Francisco Line. You don’t get much more blatantly self-serving as that.

To top things off, I went to look for what exactly classifies a location as a station. I mean they closed Oakland Base not Oakland Line so right there is a huge difference. We also have a very different management structure from the hangar as a line station. Yes, we do all share the same airport but they are in a totally separate hangar on a separate field (North Field) that the puddle jumpers use. Whenever we needed help from the hangar boys they usually kicked and screamed acting like not only were we a separate station, but we were a different airline as well! Heck, we even use different uniforms than the base employees.

It turns out that the only definition of the term “station†that I could find was in a section of the company’s General Procedures Manual (GPM) which is THE document that we must follow for our maintenance program as we can be fined or even shut down by the FAA if we don’t. That section states:

“Alaska Airlines (ASA) stations are classified in accordance with the level of maintenance performed at the station.â€

The real kicker is that this same GPM section lists Oakland Line not only as a separate station from Oakland-Main Base, but it also lists it as a totally different class of station. Oakland Line is shown as a class B station just like San Francisco, Los Angeles, and even Anchorage. Oakland – Main Base is (or was) the only remaining class A station for Alaska Airlines.

In other words, a location’s management structure, its station or city code, whether or not it shares the same building/field/airport/geographic region, or even the look of its uniforms are all irrelevant. The deciding factor of what classifies a location as a station is the type of maintenance it performs.

So there you have it. Unless AMFA national steps in and provides us with truly unbiased representation, AMFA has shown its true colors. While I certainly respect the importance of seniority, I don’t believe that seniority rule should be used as an excuse to violate our union agreement to further the interests of a select few and stomp on the rights of more junior employees. I have seen where airlines have used seniority rule to divide our trade and shut down maintenance base after maintenance base laying off layer after layer of junior employees in a death by a thousand cuts.

You may have heard of the term “the tyranny of the majority.†Well now we have “the tyranny of seniority.†To my great disappointment, AMFA has taken that tyranny to a whole new level.
It will be different with AMFA!..Yeah right you bozos.
[post="179817"][/post]​


Well on the surface it appears that that person believes that Junior employees should remain on the job while senior employees hit the street.

So NW do you feel that senior mechanics in overhaul should hit the streets while junior mechanics on the line keep working?

Are you in favor of allowing the company to choose which workers will get laid off and disregard the seniority system?


Sorry but thats not the way it works with real unions. Seniority's primary function is to insure that employers can not get rid of senior employees first.
 
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #11
That's the way he sees it working at an amfa repped station, you tell me, real union or not.
 
Nightwatch said:
That's the way he sees it working at an amfa repped station, you tell me, real union or not.
[post="179840"][/post]​

Well when we go AMFA you will be an AMFA repped worker, will that make you a typical AMFA member?

Dont think so.

So how many cards have been signed for the TWU at Alaska so far?
 
Nightwatch said:
You can take that to the bank...bruddah! You amfa guys and I are certainly NOT RELATED.
[post="179825"][/post]​

Finally a twu supporting alias using coward speaks the truth.

"AMFA guys" (and gals) are professional and are concerned about ALL AMTs. They believe that what happens to one group of AMTs will eventually effect all groups of AMTs. They believe in all union officials being elected by the full membership and not appointed.

The only relation you have is to someone who fears the truth. Typical coward.
 
Ken MacTiernan said:
Finally a twu supporting alias using coward speaks the truth.

"AMFA guys" (and gals) are professional and are concerned about ALL AMTs. They believe that what happens to one group of AMTs will eventually effect all groups of AMTs. They believe in all union officials being elected by the full membership and not appointed.

The only relation you have is to someone who fears the truth. Typical coward.
[post="180016"][/post]​


Ken, play that double six will ya, management is watching.
 
Bob Owens said:
So how many cards have been signed for the TWU at Alaska so far?
[post="179850"][/post]​


Can't be many cards signed Booby, they are mostly furloughed thanks to amfa's ineptness and lack of effectiveness. Great history amfa is building!
 

Latest posts

Back
Top