United Gets Concessions From Amfa

[proAMFA]

AMFA never claimed that they would never take a concession. At the meeting in September O.V. Delle-Femine claimed AMFA hadn't taken a concession yet. Concerning concessions at AA, Mr. Delle-Femine stated that AA's plea's for concessions must be first verified and then the workforce would consider concessions in the form of a loan to the company with snap-back language.
The point I'm making is that AMFA only consider's the possibility of concessions when and only when it is absolutely necessary.
Now lets compare to what the TWU did last year. They brought us back a concessionary contract that they did not even negotiate and that was unequitable and then a year later, when it was too late to do anything about it, ####'d that it was unfair.

I'd rather have AMFA representing me.

 

[Nightwatch]

AMFA never claimed that they would never take a concession. At the meeting in September O.V. Delle-Femine claimed AMFA hadn't taken a concession yet. Concerning concessions at AA, Mr. Delle-Femine stated that AA's plea's for concessions must be first verified and then the workforce would consider concessions in the form of a loan to the company with snap-back language.
The point I'm making is that AMFA only consider's the possibility of concessions when and only when it is absolutely necessary.
Now lets compare to what the TWU did last year. They brought us back a concessionary contract that they did not even negotiate and that was unequitable and then a year later, when it was too late to do anything about it, ####'d that it was unfair.

I'd rather have AMFA representing me.

I respect your desire to have AMFA rep you. I believe the TWU is best for me, peace. I do remember seeing Delle state in one of his meetings that AMFA says "NO CONCESSIONS", he got applauded for that statement. Well, guess what. He also stated "wait for FM1", and I did, and guess what.

You will not see me yelling in here or anywhere else. I will keep my vote in the TWU and wish you the best in your quest. I do hope you do your homework and read as much as possible, keep an open mind, I do.

 

[Nightwatch]

AMFA was created in 1962 but did not represent any carrier until 1964 at Ozark Airlines. It later represented Pacific Airlines, Airlift International, Hughes Airwest, and Southern Airways. AMFA organized the non-union mechanics and related at United Express (ACA) and Mesaba Airlines (Northwest Airlink), and now AMFA represents Alaska and Northwest Airlines, America Trans Air, Horizon, Southwest and United technicians and related personnel. There is also a Representational dispute with American Airlines Technicians and related in progress with more on the horizon. In thirty years AMFA has never accepted concessions, give-backs, two-tier pay scales, or "B" rate mechanics. One reason for this is that the local airline representatives, who are well-acquainted with their airline's problems, are at the bargaining table with the national officers. AMFA also believes in having its members attend and observe contract negotiations. Although this is considered by many to be a novel idea, AMFA has been doing this in negotiations for years, and it has helped both sides to understand the problems and issues that must be resolved at the bargaining table.

Is AMFA going to have to change the wording here?

 

[Buck]

You want AMFA to change history?

 

[Nightwatch]

You want AMFA to change history?

Buck, as I see it, AMFA already has. Now I hope the TWU, and other AFL-CIO associates can remedy AMFA's direction.

 

[Decision 2004]

Buck, as I see it, AMFA already has. Now I hope the TWU, and other AFL-CIO associates can remedy AMFA's direction.

Maybe you should read the latest issue of the "Gay-ly Oklahoman" magazine before you jump on the AFL-CIO band-wagon.

The Central Oklahoma Labor Council (made up of AFL-CIO Unions) has passed and is bringing forward a resolution to the June C.O.P.E Convention to support and defend Gay and Lesbian Rights.

What does that have to do with "LABOR" issues?

 

[twuer]

Maybe you should read the latest issue of the "Gay-ly Oklahoman" magazine before you jump on the AFL-CIO band-wagon.

The Central Oklahoma Labor Council (made up of AFL-CIO Unions) has passed and is bringing forward a resolution to the June C.O.P.E Convention to support and defend Gay and Lesbian Rights.

What does that have to do with "LABOR" issues?

Gay poeple work too Dave. Or did you not know that????? I was sure you did!!! Or by your tone, your "homophobic"???? Which one is it Dave????



Oh, and be careful how you answer this one. . . .that grave your standing in is getting deeper and deeper pal!!!

 

[RUM@AA]

Gay poeple work too Dave. Or did you not know that????? I was sure you did!!! Or by your tone, your "homophobic"???? Which one is it Dave????

They are "labor", period. Gay or not. They are entitled to the same treatment as any other union member without mentioning their sexual preference. Child molesters work too, will the AFL-CIO next support NAMBLA?
This is further proof that the AFL-CIO is, as I have said before, a left-wing liberal lobbying organization whose emphasis is the socialization of America. They will aid and abet the enemies of traditional American values for thier own political power.
This is why their membership continues to diminish. That and lousy representation.

Craft Unionism: Good enough for Pilots, good enough for me.

 

[Buck]

Buck, as I see it, AMFA already has. Now I hope the TWU, and other AFL-CIO associates can remedy AMFA's direction.

Let me understand you, you believe AMFA has changed history?

No one can change history.

If AMFA could change history, it would to reverse all of the damage the TWU has done to the mechanic craft and class.

I would be more worried about the the direction the TWU has taken us. That is in the direction of concessions for the last twenty years.

 

[RUM@AA]

So where does amfa and it's (previous, it seems now) preference of BK take you Rum?????


They are "scared" of BK now that they have seen the devastation first hand. The idiots should have realized it in the first place but NOOOOO, they "stuck to their guns" and screwed a whole bunch of people out of jobs!!! Now their retiress are getting screwed!!

I knew amfa sucked!

Uhh, news flash. UAL went to bankruptcy under the IAM. NOT AMFA!
I'll tell you right now, I don't care what they did at NWA, UAL or anywhere else.
AMFA at one airline doesn't have to be the same at any other airline.
Does the TWU at AA have to be the same as the TWU at say.. Pan AM? If so I guess we're all doomed.

Next, ALL UAL's union's retirees will begin paying part of their medical premiums, yet they will still pay LESS THAN AA/TWU'S RETIREES. Their anual maximum deductable will be around $500. AA/TWU'S = $1200.
Who Sucks?

And in case you haven't figured it out with your superior intellect... AA WAS LYING! YOU GOT TAKEN FOR A RIDE! WAKE UP!
They were bluffing, get it?

Witness the $Millions they are about to sink into Wireless Internet mods and EFIS for MD80s. A bankrupt airline doesn't have the cash to sink into an aging fleet.
Your concessions will subsidize the upgrading of AA's equipment for the future. Thanks Sucker.

 

[Bob Owens]

United and Its Unions Agree on Benefit Cuts for Retirees
By MICHELINE MAYNARD


United Airlines reached an agreement with its unions yesterday on a plan to cut health care benefits for 50,000 retired workers and their family members, eliminating one of the biggest issues facing the airline, which is reorganizing under court protection.

United said the proposal, combined with other cuts, would save it $300 million over the next six years, or roughly $50 million a year in medical and life insurance costs. The plan will be presented to a federal bankruptcy court in Chicago for approval next week. United, a unit of UAL, is based in suburban Chicago.

The agreement was negotiated with a coalition of unions representing flight attendants, traffic controllers, ground workers and other employees.

The pact comes as United awaits a decision by the federal Air Transportation Stabilization Board on its application for $1.6 billion in loan guarantees, which would pave the way for United to move out of bankruptcy. The board rejected United's original application for a $1.8 billion package in December 2002, forcing it to seek Chapter 11 protection.

In January, United, the industry's second-largest carrier behind American Airlines, sought to cut benefits for 27,000 retired workers and their families. It argued that given its financial situation, it could not afford to continue providing them with full health care coverage.

The action was not unusual for a company that has filed for bankruptcy protection. Over the years, companies have filed requests with bankruptcy courts to cut or eliminate retiree benefits. The list includes Kaiser Aluminum, Polaroid, Federated Department Stores and several steel makers, including Bethlehem Steel and National Steel.

But flight attendants contended that United had broken a promise to maintain the benefits of retirees. The Association of Flight Attendants argued in bankruptcy court that 2,500 members agreed to retire early last year on the expectation that their benefits would be protected.

More than 100 members of Congress signed a letter in support of the flight attendants, asking that the airline's decision be rescinded. But United said that it had pledged only to protect benefits until a change was unavoidable. In March, a court-appointed examiner found that United had not violated its contract with the flight attendants.

The agreement does not require a vote by union members because retirees are not covered by collective bargaining agreements. The $300 million in savings, which United said would be spread out through 2010, includes cuts accepted in May by the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, which represents United's mechanics.

"Our top priority was to come to an agreement that protects the well-being of thousands of committed employees who have devoted their careers to making United Airlines a success," said Greg Davidowitch, president of the Association of Flight Attendants' local at United, in a statement issued by the union coalition.


Who represents United Dispatchers?

So for all the bluff and indignation they all settled for the same thing anyway.

Well they can all thank the TWU at AA who agreed to lift this burden from the company over 15 years ago. All those unions knew, that once the fact was revealed that AA has had its workers agree to pay for retiree health coverge for 30 years or more prior to retiring there is no way that the judge would have ruled that the company was being unreasonable. Maybe some of those unions can go into the Insurance business like the TWU!