Unions in trouble

[B737 driver]

TWU pretty much works just like America itself. It votes by an Electoral College (Delegates) If in the TWU it was completely by popular vote you probably would never have an Airline guy win ever? Popular vote in the US would have meant California decided the election and Hillary would have been your President. I have a sneaky suspicion you wouldn’t have been too happy about that either.

BTW it’s probably much better that certain people don’t ever get to vote anyway. They’re just not bright enough to really make informed decisions anyway. Catch my drift? Hint hint.

Well Weezz let me ask you this question in my 31 years of working on Airplanes , this includes my Navy time, 2 years-at Midway in Chicago, 24 years at SWA have you ever heard of having a contract road show from your Union without a T/A to explain why we don't have a T/A , and why we don't have anything to vote on for the foreseeable future, because I sure haven't?

 

[WeAAsles]

Well Weezz let me ask you this question in my 31 years of working on Airplanes , this includes my Navy time, 2 years-at Midway in Chicago, 24 years at SWA have you ever heard of having a contract road show from your Union without a T/A to explain why we don't have a T/A , and why we don't have anything to vote on for the foreseeable future, because I sure haven't?

No I have never heard of a roadshow that explains why we DON’T have a T/A. BTW that picture I posted on the other thread that swamt never answered if he knew who it was, that’s Lucas Middlebrook. He’s the Lawyer for SSM&P who is on every AMFA update and will also be in attendance for these roadshows of yours. More money to the $$LAWYERS$$ Brother.

Although the TWU of course has access to their Legal advisor, I also NEVER see the Lawyers name on any Association Negotiations updates?

Many people here think I have some type of bone to pick with the name (acronym) of your Union, that couldn’t be further from the truth. I firmly believe it’s the Law Firm who has been ripping off and destroying the lives of good hard working blue collar people for too many years to count now. From all I’ve read I don’t like or trust Seeham, Seeham, Meltz and Peterson. Period.

 

[bigjets]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-gop-union-busting-bill-filed-for-2018-9885698

How many think the TWU would have a hard time getting support from a workforce that wasn’t required to be part of the union as a condition of employment?

Yes we are the union, but we have no vote and no voice, not to mention sometimes we hear positive news about AA negotiations then we hear the opposite without knowing what we are asking for or what we are being offered.

I remember voting out of office a guy none of us thought had our best interest at heart. All of a sudden instead of returning to the floor he was appointed to a permenant union spot at the local.

One of his best lines, you don’t like it, there’s no fence between here and United.

 

[eolesen]

If Janus goes the way it appears to be with SCOTUS, forced dues could be unlawful within a couple years.

 

[texasreb]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-gop-union-busting-bill-filed-for-2018-9885698

How many think the TWU would have a hard time getting support from a workforce that wasn’t required to be part of the union as a condition of employment?

Yes we are the union, but we have no vote and no voice, not to mention sometimes we hear positive news about AA negotiations then we hear the opposite without knowing what we are asking for or what we are being offered.

I remember voting out of office a guy none of us thought had our best interest at heart. All of a sudden instead of returning to the floor he was appointed to a permenant union spot at the local.

One of his best lines, you don’t like it, there’s no fence between here and United.

You will always have people supporting the TWU. These are the people that don't do anything or don't know how to do anything at work. Hard to believe there are 30 year employee's that don't have a clue how to work on an airplane.

 

[Buck]

You will always have people supporting the TWU. These are the people that don't do anything or don't know how to do anything at work. Hard to believe there are 30 year employee's that don't have a clue how to work on an airplane.

That is not true there are a lot of TWU supporters that don't do anything at Tulsa or very little.

 

[Topcat187]

I sure hope this happens.

So you can weaken your union? Not very smart....

 

[eolesen]

There's an argument to be made that union members might be better off without forced dues. They'd be forced to be proving their value if they want people to buy in.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

There's an argument to be made that union members might be better off without forced dues. They'd be forced to be proving their value if they want people to buy in.

Good luck with that. You are fighting the propaganda machine and leftist, socialist sheep that consider themselves intellectuals.

 

[737823]

There's an argument to be made that union members might be better off without forced dues. They'd be forced to be proving their value if they want people to buy in.

Never understood why this point is lost on so many people.

Just look at how disenfranchised IAM/TWU/Association members. Apathetic, disengaged union members are a symptom of out of touch leaders that don’t deliver results but are more concerned with their own cushy gigs and maintaining the interests of the organization.

Josh

 

[Buck]

If Janus goes the way it appears to be with SCOTUS, forced dues could be unlawful within a couple years.

Define JANUS please. At what point does the NRLA and or the NMB roles come into play?

 

[jimntx]

There's an argument to be made that union members might be better off without forced dues. They'd be forced to be proving their value if they want people to buy in.

True, but then union members would have to take responsibility for the crappy contracts they get. Not voting in union elections and then complaining about the outcomes is so much easier.

For instance, if I remember correctly less than half of the AA flight attendants voted in the last election for union officers. And, before the results were certified, the complaining started. I would ask the complainer if he/she voted. If the answer was no, I did not let them continue complaining in my presence. But, then I apply that same rule in local, state, and national elections. As far as I'm concerned, if you didn't vote, then you don't get to complain about the results. And, yes one vote matters. Look at that House of Delegates election in Virginia. The Republicans managed to hold on to a one vote majority due to winning one contested seat by one vote.

Yes, in a democracy such as ours, we have the right to not participate. But, if you so choose then you do NOT have the right to complain about the result.

 

[NYer]

Define JANUS please. At what point does the NRLA and or the NMB roles come into play?

The Janus case only covers public sector unions.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Time to disrepute the industry and vote out the corrupt, inefficient and ultimately detrimental to workers unions from the airline industry.
Show some real courage and forward thinking. Make the industry and specifically the skilled A&P profession a better place for future workers, by getting rid of unions!

Embezzlement plagues union offices around U.S.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...ant-reflects-national-business-tr/1005763001/

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

No I have never heard of a roadshow that explains why we DON’T have a T/A. BTW that picture I posted on the other thread that swamt never answered if he knew who it was, that’s Lucas Middlebrook. He’s the Lawyer for SSM&P who is on every AMFA update and will also be in attendance for these roadshows of yours. More money to the $$LAWYERS$$ Brother.

Although the TWU of course has access to their Legal advisor, I also NEVER see the Lawyers name on any Association Negotiations updates?

Many people here think I have some type of bone to pick with the name (acronym) of your Union, that couldn’t be further from the truth. I firmly believe it’s the Law Firm who has been ripping off and destroying the lives of good hard working blue collar people for too many years to count now. From all I’ve read I don’t like or trust Seeham, Seeham, Meltz and Peterson. Period.

This just in, man finds lawyers untrustworthy!!!

Tell me WeAAsles, if you don't trust lawyers why is it you want the government to control and regulate everything?