Unions in trouble

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Quoting NHBBs:

Again I'm still talking in generalities.

He was not talking in generalities. He was talking foolishness.

 

[WeAAsles]

Quoting NHBBs:


Know THIS, about the 4 groups your pontificating about.

The Irish and Italians were RIGHT from a solidarity standpoint to be wary of the Jews and blacks.
Who-the-helll would want ANY person regardless of ethnicity or race who would sell out HARD fought for gains ?
(speaking in general terms) The Jews have NO outstanding positive history of fighting for organizational Rights, NONE/NADA/EL-ZIPPO.
The Blacks (after finally moving from slavery) would take anything, because it was UTOPIA compared to what they had, and to a point I can't blame them.

As for the Italians, they in recent times have fast FORGOTTEN where they've come from in terms of being treated like dirt. Sure, they'll work the high paying Union Job,....BUT..(and I know this for a fact from Italian friends of mine in these situations) will go into the voting booth and vote Republican ) Thats Tantamount to TREASON !

Again I'm still talking in generalities.

But The IRISH have never, don't now, and will NEVER forget where they've come from, and are THE BEST UNION Members in the USA, and if I'm in a Union / management FIRE-FIGHT, it's Sean O' Malley I want in the Foxhole with me, because I....K N O W, he's got my Back, just like I've got his !!

NOTE :
There are also many Union people from other than the four groups that we've mentioned, that have and still are Staunch Union Men and Women. (Poles, a lot of Hispanics etc - etc - etc.

PS,
By the way, ......Who T - F.....in thier Right Mind, wants to work harder for LESS MONEY ????????

I've known many a Sean O' Malley, Michael Sullivan, Billy O' Connor and Seamus Mc Donough growing up in me old Neighborhood. And quite a few OTB's from both the South and the North affiliating with Sinn Fein and a few other "interesting" individuals and groups.

And the body may be detached from Woodside and Sunnyside, but no never the mind strays too far.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Come on WeAAsles say something.

Let's hear you spin it.

You are fine with people coasting on taxpayer money but not UNION dues?

Why is that?

The reason WeAAsles is fine with people coasting on "entitlements" and not UNION dues is one builds up socialism (paying entitlements) and one tears it down (not paying UNION dues).

See WeAAsles does not really care about right or wrong, only his agenda.

 

[CRASTOR]

ALPA is fraud.

 

[737823]

ALPA is fraud.

They did a good job settling the TWA DFR suit (Brady v. ALPA).

Unlike the IAM they have credibility and clout, but then again they represent a skilled workforce across the industry all majors except AA and WN, unlike the IAM which is largely irrelevant and has seen its membership and relevance diminish year after year.

Josh

 

[737823]

I've known many a Sean O' Malley, Michael Sullivan, Billy O' Connor and Seamus Mc Donough growing up in me old Neighborhood. And quite a few OTB's from both the South and the North affiliating with Sinn Fein and a few other "interesting" individuals and groups.

And the body may be detached from Woodside and Sunnyside, but no never the mind strays too far.

WeAA do you know the history of union bosses, mobsters, etc in BOS and NY?

Josh

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The reason WeAAsles is fine with people coasting on "entitlements" and not UNION dues is one builds up socialism (paying entitlements) and one tears it down (not paying UNION dues).

See WeAAsles does not really care about right or wrong, only his agenda.

I find it funny the leftist went dead silent on this thread.

 

[eolesen]

Racism and bigotry foolishness aside for a moment...

1. It looks pretty convincing that Abood will be overturned with Janus vs. AFSCME, and the ruling becomes a defacto national RTW declaration where public sector unions are concerned. Abood would have been overturned in Freidrichs vs. CA Teachers had Scalia been alive to give it a 5-4 vote.
   
   
2. Today, of the 16M people represented by unions in the US, approximately half are private sector and half are public sector. If public sector unions are gutted on the scale we saw in Wisconsin and other states where compulsory union dues or agency fee were eliminated as a term of employment, then that number will likely fall below 10M. That's a lot of lobbying dollars evaporating that predominantly support Democrats, and keep strangleholds on places like Chicago.
   
   
3. If it's no longer legal to force union membership as a condition of public sector employment, it's going to be hard for transportation unions to argue a case where federal law can require union membership as a condition of private sector employment.

 

[bigjets]

i keep hearing the only reason that delta mechs get raises is because other airlines have unions. Then why is it we have a "union" with the most members members with the backing of the AFL CIO, and we have the worst contract.

The two associations on property got contract improvements yearS ago while the UNION got us nothing.

I use to hear this old timer say that AMFA isn't even a union, it's an association. He would say association like it was an insult.

 

[eolesen]

The discussion on this belongs over to the Cooler... new thread opened.

 

[swamt]

i keep hearing the only reason that delta mechs get raises is because other airlines have unions. Then why is it we have a "union" with the most members members with the backing of the AFL CIO, and we have the worst contract.

The two associations on property got contract improvements yearS ago while the UNION got us nothing.

I use to hear this old timer say that AMFA isn't even a union, it's an association. He would say association like it was an insult.

Partly correct sir. The reason Delta keeps giving raises with no union is to stop the unions from getting in and they know once they give their employees raises first, then all the airline will follow suit and even top the raises that Delta gave and then Delta is at the lower end of all the raises after all the airlines top their pay and their labor cost are therefore lower than all the other airlines BUT, Delta was the first to give the raises so they always look great in their employees eyes and therefore keep the unions out. Kev can even tell you this.

 

[CRASTOR]

Unlike the IAM they have credibility and clout, but then again they represent a skilled workforce across the industry all majors except AA and WN, unlike the IAM which is largely irrelevant and has seen its membership and relevance diminish year after year.

You!

bellend

ALPA is the reason the regionals got so big.

 

[B737 driver]

Partly correct sir. The reason Delta keeps giving raises with no union is to stop the unions from getting in and they know once they give their employees raises first, then all the airline will follow suit and even top the raises that Delta gave and then Delta is at the lower end of all the raises after all the airlines top their pay and their labor cost are therefore lower than all the other airlines BUT, Delta was the first to give the raises so they always look great in their employees eyes and therefore keep the unions out. Kev can even tell you this.

They also run it like a union shop last ones hired, first one out the door when a lay off comes. When they bought Pandemonium they had to honor those guys seniority, so some Delta guys got laid off in the early 1990's. Also after the merger with Northwest airlines all those mechanics after the strike got all their seniority.

 

[Kev3188]

They also run it like a union shop...

Sure, except for not having a CBA, no grievance process, employees not having a real say on things like safety & health, and so on...

 

[737823]

They also run it like a union shop last ones hired, first one out the door when a lay off comes. When they bought Pandemonium they had to honor those guys seniority, so some Delta guys got laid off in the early 1990's. Also after the merger with Northwest airlines all those mechanics after the strike got all their seniority.

The DL/NW transaction is unlike any other in the industry and by almost any standard has been good for all stakeholders (except perhaps MEM airport, and the IAM GCs and unions [as organizations] who lost the dues).

The PM-NW employees truly hit the lotto although many remain bitter to this day and reminisce of “the good old days”, the fact is they’ve seen real wage increases in excess of 50% and work for a stable, highly profitable and well-run entity.

The career expectations, financial position, long-term viability, network, and orderbook PM-NW has at the time of the transaction was far less compelling than standalone PM-DL.

The PM-NW group ultimately had their windfall off the backs of PM-DL and was enabled by the McKaskill Bond amendment which many former TWA employees put forth their own time, effort, and expense to get passed (but was not applied retroactively).

So yes there is a vocal minority of disgruntled PM-NW employees that mourn for “the good old days” but they happily keep showing up as at will employees and cashing their profit sharing cheques meanwhile all subsequent organizing efforts on the DL property have been epic failures.

Josh