Ual Is Getting Attractive To Others

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Gerald Greenwald and Gordon Bethune are among those interested in taking a stake in United.

Rumblings of a takeover bid for United Airlines grew louder amid the first big public rift between management of the troubled carrier and a group representing its largest unsecured creditors, according to a story in this week's Crain's Chicago Business.
In a terse, two-sentence Bankruptcy Court filing late last week, United's creditors committee clearly indicated that there are outside investors interested in taking a run at the Elk Grove Township-based carrier.



Separately, a top official with a key United union confirmed late Friday that two investor groups had notified him in recent weeks that they are preparing competing reorganization plans for the airline.
And a source close to the creditors committee says "there are very, very qualified people out there waiting for an opportunity" to bid on the company.

Industry sources and people close to United say Dallas-based investment firm Texas Pacific Group and investor consortiums led by former United CEO Gerald Greenwald and ex-Continental Airlines chief Gordon Bethune are among those circling the carrier.

A spokesman for Texas Pacific Group declines comment; the other parties could not be reached for comment Friday. A United spokeswoman says, "We're not aware of any competing plans being put forward."

Until now, neither United nor its creditors has acknowledged active interest by outside buyers. That changed last week when creditors responded to United management's latest request to extend its exclusive right to file a reorganization plan. Exclusivity has insulated CEO Glenn Tilton's team from outside bidders, who might bring in new management.

While creditors did not object to an extension through Sept. 1, they pointedly made an issue out of United management's routine assertion that further delay won't harm creditors because no other parties have expressed interest in submitting a reorganization plan.

"The committee does not acquiesce in or endorse any implication in the debtor's motion that there are not qualified parties interested in submitting alternate plans of reorganization," the committee says in its filing.

Meanwhile, a top union official confirms that outside investors' interest is intensifying. "I'm aware of two (outside groups), but there might be more," says R. Thomas Buffenbarger, international president of the International Assn. of Machinists, United's largest union and a member of its creditors committee. He declines to say which investors have contacted the union.

'THREAT AND MESSAGE'

With the filing, the creditors committee — which must back any reorganization plan — sends a strong message to the court and potential bidders that it doesn't consider Mr. Tilton to be the only party plotting a strategy capable of pulling the world's second-largest airline out of bankruptcy, observers say.

"It's both a threat and a message," says turnaround expert William Brandt, CEO of Chicago's Development Specialists Inc.

With an end in sight to United's bankruptcy sojourn, it is attracting interest from investors keen on controlling United and its rich assets. Despite the daunting economics of its industry, investors believe they can better position United for the long haul than Mr. Tilton.

Mr. Tilton is bent on exiting bankruptcy solely through debt financing, a strategy some say will leave the carrier dangerously leveraged and with inadequate capital to keep pace with competitors.

Some question Mr. Tilton's ability to chart a profitable flight plan for United, despite successfully winning cost concessions from the airline's unions. An outside group, including a proven airline executive like Mr. Bethune, who revived Continental, might convince creditors it has a better strategy for United.
 
Bring them on!

You and your unions have the power to make this happen and to hitch your future to backers that have a proven track record for creating successful, sustainable airlines post Chapter 11.
 
I'm not too sure I'd be hoping an outside entity takes control of UAL without knowing exactly what their intentions are......
 
ualdriver said:
I'm not too sure I'd be hoping an outside entity takes control of UAL without knowing exactly what their intentions are......
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Any time there is blood the Texas group reaers its head. Who are they
 
IIRC wasn't Greenwald held in high regard by the employees? And though Bethune is a loudmouth he has an impressive resume that could potentially hold more appeal to the unsecured creditors.


Interesting times indeed,best of luck to you all.
 
Bethune would be a good thing for United. He knows the business. Took CO from worst to first.
 
ualdriver said:
I'm not too sure I'd be hoping an outside entity takes control of UAL without knowing exactly what their intentions are......
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Exactly what are Tilton's intentions?
 
I think you have a valid concern,

You should be careful what you wish for as you get it.

OTOH, considering what has happened over the last few years, it is something that could be seriously considered, and a judgement made on the merit of any plan vs just being mad at Tilton and current management.

Anyone who was to turn UAL (and all high cost airlines) could not have avoided pissing just about everyone off. There is just no easy way to live through what has happened to all of us.

Good luck to you and all my brothers and sisters at UAL :)


ualdriver said:
I'm not too sure I'd be hoping an outside entity takes control of UAL without knowing exactly what their intentions are......
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UnitedChicago said:
Exactly what are Tilton's intentions?
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Well, I know what Tilton's intentions AREN'T! They aren't to split up UAL into little bite sized pieces for everyone else in the industry to chomp on. I know that Tilton probably isn't going to make another run at labor, assuming present conditions. I know Tilton isn't going to outsource, for example, everything less than 150 seats to Express and put another 10,000 people on the street. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Useyourhead and I were thinking the same exact thing when we read the first post on this thread. You have to be VERY careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.
 
Today I saw the news column that started this topic and in response I elected to visit the UAL message board. Glenn Tilton does not want to split up United and he is the reason the UCT and the ICT fragmentation of United did not proceed.

Some outside investors could be good for the company and some may not. At least with Tilton you know he wants to keep United a separate entity as large as possible.

I believe Ualdriver and UseYourHead's comment's are accurate.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
ualdriver said:
Well, I know what Tilton's intentions AREN'T! They aren't to split up UAL into little bite sized pieces for everyone else in the industry to chomp on. I know that Tilton probably isn't going to make another run at labor, assuming present conditions. I know Tilton isn't going to outsource, for example, everything less than 150 seats to Express and put another 10,000 people on the street. Do you see where I'm going with this?
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I certainly do not want to see United split up into pieces. Nor do I want to see more people on the street. Biggest yet, I don't want to see United fail.

Would you agree that this is THE most crucial moment in United's life? If you agree - would you also agree that going with someone who has a proven track record in similar situations of taking a failing airline and solidly turning them around - is better than going with someone that doesn't have that same record?
 
UnitedChicago said:
Would you agree that this is THE most crucial moment in United's life? If you agree - would you also agree that going with someone who has a proven track record in similar situations of taking a failing airline and solidly turning them around - is better than going with someone that doesn't have that same record?
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It's absolutely none of my business, but I'd agree.....

TPG had a large stake in CO during their turnaround, likewise America West (where they still hold the voting majority). I certainly don't know it for a fact, but I don't recall them ever breaking up airlines to make a quick profit.

"Gordo" Bethune's resume is obvious, plus I know him from his Piedmont days (and will always wonder how much differently things would have worked out if US Air hadn't run him off).

Jim
 
BoeingBoy said:
It's absolutely none of my business, but I'd agree.....

TPG had a large stake in CO during their turnaround, likewise America West (where they still hold the voting majority).  I certainly don't know it for a fact, but I don't recall them ever breaking up airlines to make a quick profit.

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Bingo. Just about everyone agrees United has the best route network. Period. While I'm not saying a TPG wouldn't prune the network further - but why in their right mind would they break it up? No way.

Sorry - but if there's further reductions to be made - wouldn't you rather them now with a firm that has a proven track record? Rather than trusting that Tilton knows what he's doing? Because if Tilton doesn't, United could be back in Chapter 11.

I liked Tilton in the beginning and think he deserves a lot of credit for the fact that United it still here for us to debate. However, the continuous lack of a plan is not acceptable.
 
:) Good Morning Mr. Tilton, did you read the morning paper? :)

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