U.S. NAVY CAPTAIN FRED CLEVELAND

[ch53D]

Princess is correct when he says the guy has no airline experience, but it looks to me like he's got a shipload of maintenance experience...

* former Blue Angel (pilot? mechanic? announcer?)

* Maintenance Officer for the Navy Fighter Weapons School, “Top Gun" @ Miramar

* Naval Air Forces maintenance officer for flight-line operations on eight Naval Air Stations, 12 aircraft carriers and 160 squadrons

* Oversaw day-to-day maintenance operations, engineering and logistics support for aircraft at the Naval Air Depot in North Island which included all carrier-based Navy aircraft and all West Coast Marine Corps and Navy helicopters


This actually sounds like AA hired someone with qualifications and the ability to lead for a change....

If he was a Marine this would be a good resume because I know he could adapt and over come the airline environment.

I can see it now, FOD walks every day.

 

[The Goose]

Princess is correct when he says the guy has no airline experience, but it looks to me like he's got a shipload of maintenance experience...

* former Blue Angel (pilot? mechanic? announcer?)

* Maintenance Officer for the Navy Fighter Weapons School, “Top Gun" @ Miramar

* Naval Air Forces maintenance officer for flight-line operations on eight Naval Air Stations, 12 aircraft carriers and 160 squadrons

* Oversaw day-to-day maintenance operations, engineering and logistics support for aircraft at the Naval Air Depot in North Island which included all carrier-based Navy aircraft and all West Coast Marine Corps and Navy helicopters


This actually sounds like AA hired someone with qualifications and the ability to lead for a change....

Found the photo of Fred that was floating around - there are no wings above the fruit salad.

As best as I can recall, once those aviator's wings are earned, they're on the uniform forever regardless of current flight status. Fred doesn't seem to have been a pilot, just an line officer who was assigned to squadron level, AIMD or depot level aircraft maintenance during his career.

 

[eolesen]

Well, his bio on the web pretty clearly states he received flight training at Pensacola.

 

[The Goose]

Well, his bio on the web pretty clearly states he received flight training at Pensacola.

I'll have to look at that - just what I remember from my time.

I received some "flight" training too as part of the checkout procedure. Altitude chamber, ejection seat, basic stuff, and all for just being an ADJ. I must say that the RIO's chair is a kick in the ass - wish I could do that some more on the weekends. Better than any roller coaster many have ever ridden and most certainly beats hell out of any drag car.

 

[chillers]

I'll have to look at that - just what I remember from my time.

I received some "flight" training too as part of the checkout procedure. Altitude chamber, ejection seat, basic stuff, and all for just being an ADJ. I must say that the RIO's chair is a kick in the ass - wish I could do that some more on the weekends. Better than any roller coaster many have ever ridden and most certainly beats hell out of any drag car.

How many drag cars have you been in, any top alchol fueled supercharged nitro 6 second rides?

 

[local 12 proud]

How many drag cars have you been in, any top alchol fueled supercharged nitro 6 second rides?

How about you hotrod?

How are the irish girls doing?

 

[777 fixer]

Princess is correct when he says the guy has no airline experience, but it looks to me like he's got a shipload of maintenance experience...

* former Blue Angel (pilot? mechanic? announcer?)

* Maintenance Officer for the Navy Fighter Weapons School, “Top Gun" @ Miramar

* Naval Air Forces maintenance officer for flight-line operations on eight Naval Air Stations, 12 aircraft carriers and 160 squadrons

* Oversaw day-to-day maintenance operations, engineering and logistics support for aircraft at the Naval Air Depot in North Island which included all carrier-based Navy aircraft and all West Coast Marine Corps and Navy helicopters


This actually sounds like AA hired someone with qualifications and the ability to lead for a change....

He served as a maintenance officer for the Blue Angels.

 

[chillers]

How about you hotrod?

How are the irish girls doing?

1964 Chevy 2, 383 stroker with a 10.4 to 1 ratio, 12 bolt posi with 4.56 gears not been on dyno but pushing 500 ponys, ran a 6.883 at Henderson Tn this summer 200.53 on a quarter mile. Big time rush every time, what about irish girls local?

 

[Mach85ER]

Is this what we need, another VP?

Maybe the current senior VP of Maintenance needs to step out of the way for someone that can do the job.

Maybe Maintenance is feeling inferior compared to Customer Service and it's petri dish of multiplying VP "talent"

 

[limit]

I have never seen a career officer been able to adapt to civilian corporate life,
including several high rank relatives of mine.
The lack of a military type structured life in the corporate world, seem to perplex and confuse them.
Without it they are a fish out of water.
Regardless, I wish him luck and hope for the best.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

1964 Chevy 2, 383 stroker with a 10.4 to 1 ratio, 12 bolt posi with 4.56 gears not been on dyno but pushing 500 ponys, ran a 6.883 at Henderson Tn this summer 200.53 on a quarter mile. Big time rush every time, what about irish girls local?

A 64' Chevy with 500 horsepower making quarter-mile times of a 1400 horsepower NHRA pro-stocker.
I think you need to change your name from "chillers" to "Joe Isuzu".

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I have never seen a career officer been able to adapt to civilian corporate life,
including several high rank relatives of mine.
The lack of a military type structured life in the corporate world, seem to perplex and confuse them.
Without it they are a fish out of water.

I know a USNA grad and former SEAL Commander who is out due to a combat injury. I don't know if he fits your definition of a career officer, though. When he was told he could no longer be a SEAL, he chose to leave. He did a masters in int relations at SAIS and is finishing an MBA at Stanford. What you say about the difficulties is true, but not insurmountable. He is adjusting, as he knows he must, and has a couple of killer job offers from companies who know where came from. Some companies actually value that kind of background.

FWIW, he finds civilians flakier in their personal life than they are in their business life. That fits in with your observation on lack of structure. However, in his case, he sees it as a lack of personal values, or just something as simple as following through on commitments.

 

[The Goose]

I know a USNA grad and former SEAL Commander who is out due to a combat injury. I don't know if he fits your definition of a career officer, though. When he was told he could no longer be a SEAL, he chose to leave. He did a masters in int relations at SAIS and is finishing an MBA at Stanford. What you say about the difficulties is true, but not insurmountable. He is adjusting, as he knows he must, and has a couple of killer job offers from companies who know where came from. Some companies actually value that kind of background.

FWIW, he finds civilians flakier in their personal life than they are in their business life. That fits in with your observation on lack of structure. However, in his case, he sees it as a lack of personal values, or just something as simple as following through on commitments.

Sounds like this is the type of guy/gal that should have been sought out rather than what we're about to get. Probably wouldn't have lasted a week but WTF?

A graduate of anything doesn't impress me at all, but a SEAL commander? One doesn't get there without having made good choices and being able to think for one's-self, not to mention the leadership qualities a person must have to hold the position.

I feel he'll be lucky to land a job with his abilities anywhere, unfortunately - corporate America isn't known for hiring the brightest bulbs in the box; only the 'yes' people, and your friend doesn't sound to be one of those.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Sounds like this is the type of guy/gal that should have been sought out rather than what we're about to get. Probably wouldn't have lasted a week but WTF?

A graduate of anything doesn't impress me at all, but a SEAL commander? One doesn't get there without having made good choices and being able to think for one's-self, not to mention the leadership qualities a person must have to hold the position.

Actually, his civilian graduate work, particularly Stanford, is taking the rough edges off him. Their program is very interesting, with a lot of human relations stuff. It is making him a better people person. He would not have been as good, straight out of the Navy.

BTW, AA's HR dept is a travesty, not worthy of the name.

 

[Jetsmech]

He served as a maintenance officer for the Blue Angels.

I just want to let all you that Capt Fred Cleveland is a Commanding Officer of one of the biggest Naval Aviation Depot in the world and have about 4,000 plus civilian and military under his wing and you could probably put your most qualified person within the AA community and can beat him or her easily. He might not have any airline experience but running a Depot with multiple country customer and a multi billion dollors budget on hand, I think he is the best VP American Airline could ever had.