U Counteroffer To Pit

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Local news reports this a.m. that u has made the following counteroffer re
the pit hub. Following are the particulars:

1. Will keep hub thru oct 2004 w roughly 380 dptrs if U s propriotary contract
with the county is extented.

2. Will keep the employee base at approx. 8000.

3. THE KICKER.....U s offer comes with a plus or MINUS 12.5% on both flts.
and employees.

The minus of course takes the employee count from 8000 to 7000 and flts
from 380 to 338. If you apply it to total acft in the fleet (although can t
conclusively draw that conclusion) it takes us from 279 acft to 245 acft.

Sorry for the negative spin but that s the way every message from dave
and company forces me to think.

The facts maam,just the facts (Joe Friday)
 
The ACAA CANNOT negotiate lower lease rates in exchange for employment in the region. It is illegal. Congress has been explicit with this. Furthermore, U is sufficiently far away from its bankruptcy proceedings as to not be seen as different from any other airline at PIT, most likely (that's a judgment call). So, on what basis would ACAA allow U to continue benefitting (lower rates) in exchange for a financial commitment (that it's not making) and deny the same to others making the financial commitment?

49 USC 47107(B) and 47107(L)(2)(B) and 47133.


Go figure, that I'd actually have to but a 'b' in parenthesis. Please read the 'smirky face with glasses as a 'b' in parenthesis.
 
oh boy oh boy...my job is safe for another 12 months...guess i can buy that house i've been putting off for 16 years...
funny they'd be that shrewd to offer a 12 month guarantee and even funnier if county signs of on it...
hate to mention this...but could U be delaying the game for that illusive UCT that has been fluttering in the wind now for many months???
i smell a rat
 
I take this latest to mean that US wants to maintain this year's airport rates and fees into next year even while reducing operations perhaps as low as 330-some flights per day.

If 1) landing fees are figured by deducting fees and rentals from operations cost and dividing the remainder by the expected aircraft operations (roughly speaking), and 2) US's costs are held constant, doesn't that mean a big jump in landing fees for all the other airlines?
 
delldude said:
oh boy oh boy...my job is safe for another 12 months...guess i can buy that house i've been putting off for 16 years...
funny they'd be that shrewd to offer a 12 month guarantee and even funnier if county signs of on it...
hate to mention this...but could U be delaying the game for that illusive UCT that has been fluttering in the wind now for many months???
i smell a rat
Gee, you mean I can go borrow money for that used car for sale from dave's old renta car agency. Yippy, zowey is this good news. Hey buy the way if davey boy has his way and I can live without KY jelly, does it mean I can survive without food stamps too. Yes I believe I smell a rat.
 

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Actually, in this case, US is asking the county/airport authority for special consideration, and not the other way around. Once the lease rejection is effective in January, US will be a non-signatory carrier at PIT, and as such will pay 20% higher rents/fees than the remaining signatory carriers. UAIR could certainly sign leases again, but they'd then lose their ability to walk away from PIT if they wanted to do so.

I suppose other airlines could complain, but then the county could make a similar offer to them (if you reject your leases in bankruptcy and agree to maintain your current number of flights we'll give you a nine-month lease extension too...)
 

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