They Can't Be That Stupid

[Dea Certe]

I've given this some long, hard thought. Meditated, ruminated, medicated and behold: A vision appeared to me. Management *wants* Mainline Labor to walk.

This solves a lot of problems, as I see it. They rid themselves of debt in BK, shed contracts and possible other financial burdens, like a senior labor force. They also may be able to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the complete failure to operate mainline.

They win a low-cost airline, with a junior labor group, hungry for an airline job at MidAtlantic.

Neat new airplanes the customers seem to love with a route structure they don't have to fight for, they already have the equipment in place, employees with experience and a data base.

Sell off the International routes and widebodies.

Easy, peasy, chango, presto! New airline. They become the fair-haired ones of Wall Street for the moment. Airlines employees hit a new, all-time low.

The only way out of this death-to-labor spiral I see is for the AFL-CIO to step in. They won't. Never mind all the dollars every AFL-CIO affiliated airline labor union has given the AFL-CIO a lot of money over the years. Sweeney is in a coma and seems very out of touch with our industry.

That's how I see it.

Dea

Oh, I had a few tiny, little martinis too. I just love olives, don't you?

 

[CynicalResAgent]

Oh, no....I think they could be that stupid......

 

[Phoenix]

I've given this some long, hard thought. Meditated, ruminated, medicated and behold: A vision appeared to me. Management *wants* Mainline Labor to walk.
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[post="200308"][/post]​

BINGO

 

[jimntx]

It looks that way on the surface, but...(and I'm asking here, I don't know for sure)

What about the operating certificate? If an airline goes under, I don't think the certificate can just automatically be transferred to whoever buys the assets. MDA (or MAA or whatever it is called) operates under the mainline UAIR certificate, does it not?

I even thought about the possibility that they applied for a separate certificate sub rosa, but the application process is and always has been public because you have to give others the opportunity to file objections to an application.

 

[Art at ISP]

Dea,

Your theory has alot of merit, and until recently I would agree with you. I do, however, think there is another scenario, however unlikely....

I think the company MIGHT have a white knight in the wings--someone with deep pockets ready to invest IF the costs can be contained. I think they want to get contracts with all the unions--although perhaps not as draconian as what they proposed, finding something which might be painful for both sides but survivable...then they would have a massive influx of funds and can rebuild.

Again this is just my theory, but signs point to the possibility that something along these lines is in the wings....

Either way I hope it works out--you folks are truly the best, and although I cannot feel your pain, I can only keep flying with you and express my appreciation to you all EVERY time I fly.

My best to you all.....

 

[PITbull]

Art,

I can say this to your theory...

It won't be a "white knight" of this managment or the stakeholders'. h34r:

 

[ua767fo]

If an airline goes under, I don't think the certificate can just automatically be transferred to whoever buys the assets.

[post="200379"][/post]​

An operating certificate can be sold. It happens all of the time. The certificate is nothing more than an approved plan for conducting air and maintenance operations. However, I'll add that for the first time the FAA is challanging the sale of a certificate. See link below.

DENVER, CO

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?...page=1&id=70659

 

[Doc]

Dea,

Your theory has alot of merit, and until recently I would agree with you. I do, however, think there is another scenario, however unlikely....

I think the company MIGHT have a white knight in the wings--someone with deep pockets ready to invest IF the costs can be contained. I think they want to get contracts with all the unions--although perhaps not as draconian as what they proposed, finding something which might be painful for both sides but survivable...then they would have a massive influx of funds and can rebuild.

Again this is just my theory, but signs point to the possibility that something along these lines is in the wings....

Either way I hope it works out--you folks are truly the best, and although I cannot feel your pain, I can only keep flying with you and express my appreciation to you all EVERY time I fly.

My best to you all.....

[post="200385"][/post]​

No way anybody is giving this airline any money as long as oil is where it is making money in this business is a long way off....no matter how much I make

 

[Art at ISP]

Art,

I can say this to your theory...

It won't be a "white knight" of this managment or the stakeholders'. h34r:

[post="200389"][/post]​

PIT,

See PM

 

[firstamendment]

I've given this some long, hard thought. Meditated, ruminated, medicated and behold: A vision appeared to me. Management *wants* Mainline Labor to walk.

This solves a lot of problems, as I see it. They rid themselves of debt in BK, shed contracts and possible other financial burdens, like a senior labor force. They also may be able to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the complete failure to operate mainline.

They win a low-cost airline, with a junior labor group, hungry for an airline job at MidAtlantic.

Neat new airplanes the customers seem to love with a route structure they don't have to fight for, they already have the equipment in place, employees with experience and a data base.

Sell off the International routes and widebodies.

Easy, peasy, chango, presto! New airline. They become the fair-haired ones of Wall Street for the moment. Airlines employees hit a new, all-time low.

The only way out of this death-to-labor spiral I see is for the AFL-CIO to step in. They won't. Never mind all the dollars every AFL-CIO affiliated airline labor union has given the AFL-CIO a lot of money over the years. Sweeney is in a coma and seems very out of touch with our industry.

That's how I see it.

Dea

Oh, I had a few tiny, little martinis too. I just love olives, don't you?

[post="200308"][/post]​

Dea honey,
We already did something similar to that...It's called Southwest Airlines. The only difference is we ran and left the goods, letting good ol Herbie pick up the pieces and do it right. Talk about presto..easy..and I'm sober.

 

[wench]

No White Knight indeed..
Black Knight is appropriate ]

 

[wnbubbleboy]

Dea honey,
We already did something similar to that...It's called Southwest Airlines. The only difference is we ran and left the goods, letting good ol Herbie pick up the pieces and do it right. Talk about presto..easy..and I'm sober.

[post="200404"][/post]​

Herb has done us good over here. We are watching though...We as union members see what happening over there and are concerned who knows what could happen. What's the phrase, "But for the grace of God go I".

It seems the people at the top over there have forgot that you all are the company not the aircraft, gates, or equiptment. I watch amazed as this company deflates what little hope there may be with another blunder to alianate it's workforce.

IMHO you all deserve better.

 

[firstamendment]

Herb has done us good over here. We are watching though...We as union members see what happening over there and are concerned who knows what could happen. What's the phrase, "But for the grace of God go I".

It seems the people at the top over there have forgot that you all are the company not the aircraft, gates, or equiptment. I watch amazed as this company deflates what little hope there may be with another blunder to alianate it's workforce.

IMHO you all deserve better.

[post="200485"][/post]​

I agree, but if history is any indication, we will do the same. It's just a shame so many hard working folks will either have to leave what they love or go to another carrier and start all over. Such is life. We aren't the first and we will not be the last to go thru this.
Thanks for the support. If we has just a tiny bit of you guy's management know-how....

 

[REACC1]

FWIW- Dr Bronner himself said something like, Alabama Retirement Systems 'would not throw any more good money after bad.'

 

[firstamendment]

Oh, no....I think they could be that stupid......

[post="200313"][/post]​

And WHO do we work for????