Terminal G coming to Philly... eventually

[lowfareair]

Found this when looking for something else:

http://www.philaplanning.org/plans/rcpgm08.pdf go to page 4:

Terminal G - New Concourse / This facility will be a new 11 gate concourse located east of Terminal F. The work will include expansion of the Terminal F ticketing building, the concourse and aircraft parking apron

It looks like if it happens, it is easily 6-7 years down the line based on when the money for it is allocated, but does anyone know where it will fit in? "[E]ast of Terminal F" will put it onto 17/35. My guess is they mean north, where it would take out the USX maintenance hangar for ticketing. The gates would run up alongside the economy parking lot, with only one side having gates(as A-west is for part of it)

map of Terminal F & surrounding area:

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp..._&encType=1

 

[PHL Approach]

Found this when looking for something else:

http://www.philaplanning.org/plans/rcpgm08.pdf go to page 4:
It looks like if it happens, it is easily 6-7 years down the line based on when the money for it is allocated, but does anyone know where it will fit in? "[E]ast of Terminal F" will put it onto 17/35. My guess is they mean north, where it would take out the USX maintenance hangar for ticketing. The gates would run up alongside the economy parking lot, with only one side having gates(as A-west is for part of it)

map of Terminal F & surrounding area:

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp..._&encType=1

I can't remember what the full plan was. But when 17-35 is extended I think they want to put a parking lot where the old overseas Terminal is. I've said to many people that, that would be a perfect area to build a 10+ gate terminal. Hell, then send WN over there. Maybe that is where G will indeed go... We'll see.

 

[lowfareair]

I can't remember what the full plan was. But when 17-35 is extended I think they want to put a parking lot where the old overseas Terminal is. I've said to many people that, that would be a perfect area to build a 10+ gate terminal. Hell, then send WN over there. Maybe that is where G will indeed go... We'll see.

Hmm... Looking at the map, it seems there is plenty of room for a 10-12 gate terminal. The only problem then becomes 'where do you put the parking?' Earlier today they had a sign saying the econo lot was full. Is there anywhere else to expand parking if they add a terminal there?

Slightly OT, but one thing I would like to see to make the long-term masterplan changes minimal is to remove the UPS facility to make room for the new 9/27 runway(spaced far enough away for simultaneous takeoff-landings) and get rid of cargo city to add more terminals. Most cargo ops would move to the soon to be much reduced Willow Grove NAS, with only a couple remnants at PHL. It would solve many problems without the huge cost and logistical headaches that redoing the entire airport would bring.

 

[PHL Approach]

and get rid of cargo city to add more terminals.

Thats the other thing I've been saying. I've done the math and figures with distances and square mileage. You could fit a 25-30 gate terminal the entire length of Cargo City (It would be just a very long rectangle - very McNamara Terminal like - DTW) and also put in a bridge connecting it to A-West it would come in right were the corner of the L is. If you really needed to... there is enough room to move Cargo City right next to UPS. Stretching from where their extra containers are - all the way to the threshold of 9R. Ironically its the same distance and space of what consists of the current Cargo City.

 

[Dog Wonder]

We all know what Terminal F-ed stands for would Terminal G be ... Ghetto?

 

[flygirl74]

Here's a few...Good luck, Go home, God help you

 

[PHL]

I'm a bigger fan of the complete airport terminal rebuild plan with the midfield option that includes 4 parallel runways.

 

[nycbusdriver]

All that airport expansion in PHL is fine. Has anyone seen the plan for expanding the airspace that needs to be in place first?

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

All that airport expansion in PHL is fine. Has anyone seen the plan for expanding the airspace that needs to be in place first?

Unless/until something is done to increase runway capacity and relieve airspace constraints, adding terminal capacity in PHL makes no sense. (Same goes for any airport in the NE.)

 

[lowfareair]

I'm a bigger fan of the complete airport terminal rebuild plan with the midfield option that includes 4 parallel runways.

I think that having that would be the best way to go if PHL was being built on the land for the first time, but that will make the airport go to pot for the decade between when they start and when they finish. While it isn't one of their three options, I feel that the plan of action with the greatest reward and smallest sacrifices is to move UPS where they suggest in all three, build a runway where UPS was, then take out 17-35 and the overseas terminal and put cargo city and/or more econ parking in that area. Add a terminal G near terminal F, and then build into the existing cargo city space with terminals A-far-west, A-really-far-west, etc.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Terminal "G" as in, "Gee Whiz nothing ever leaves on time"

If it's congested now and there are no plans to re configure the runways how is the world are MORE gates going to help make PHL more efficient?

Yes. That's in keeping with Terminal "F" as in,

"F**K NO your flight isn't leaving on time. The airplane is still ground-stopped in Allentown! And the First Officer is still in Salisbury in new-hire training!"

 

[zethya]

IF they do that, they really need to include a "people mover" across the entire airport (A to G). I'd speculate this effort will be superseded by, or is compatible with, the FAA CEP Plan which is scheduled to start implementation in 2011-2012 and complete in 2020-2025. PHL may already know that Alternative B has been, or is most likely to be selected. The positioning of Terminal G would seem compatible with a start for Alt B, which includes relocating/rebuilding the existing D,E and F (the new G) terminals - assuming all of the terminals will be renamed A-G (A-East = B ). Alternate B also includes adding and expanding runways. The final FAA decision and design recommendations are scheduled to be presented by end of this year (2007).

 

[lowfareair]

IF they do that, they really need to include a "people mover" across the entire airport (A to G). I'd speculate this effort will be superseded by, or is compatible with, the FAA CEP Plan which is scheduled to start implementation in 2011-2012 and complete in 2020-2025. PHL may already know that Alternative B has been, or is most likely to be selected. The positioning of Terminal G would seem compatible with a start for Alt B, which includes relocating/rebuilding the existing D,E and F (the new G) terminals - assuming all of the terminals will be renamed A-G (A-East = B ). Alternate B also includes adding and expanding runways. The final FAA decision and design recommendations are scheduled to be presented by end of this year (2007).

Are you sure it is option B? B is the one that calls for all existing terminals except all of A to be demolished to make room for three new midfield terminals only accessible by people mover. Option A seems to be what you are referring to.

BTW: I can only get the overhead pics for the layout from the website. Is there a place to see a detailed plan of what each alternative entails?

 

[zethya]

Are you sure it is option B? B is the one that calls for all existing terminals except all of A to be demolished to make room for three new midfield terminals only accessible by people mover. Option A seems to be what you are referring to.

I believe you are referring to "C", which is the mid-field terminal approach.

 

[lowfareair]

I believe you are referring to "C", which is the mid-field terminal approach.

I didn't mean that mid-field. I meant the one with three big terminals that can only be accessed via people mover and Terminal A rather than 8 or 9 small ones.