Summertime

[tadjr]

And the fun just keeps on coming!!!

Last updated Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:44:01 GMT Provided by the FAA's Air Traffic Control System Command Center.)
GROUND DELAY PROGRAMS

ARPT START END FLIGHTS SCOPE REASON AVG AAR PR ADVZY
BDL 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 11 13 13 114
BOS 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 45 38 38 063
BWI 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 42 45 45 068
CYYZ 1830 0159 ALL CZY/CZW/CZU/CZM+ZOB1 RWY:CONST 9 42 42 097
EWR 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 52 42 42 070
HPN 1800 2359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 45 16 16 110
JFK 2000 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 39 32 32 072
LGA 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 42 40 40 065
MHT 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 24 8 8 115
MMU 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 31 7 7 113
ORD 1600 0159 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/WIND 65 76 76 085
PHL 1415 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/LOW CIGS 113 36 36 071
PVD 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 31 10 10 112
TEB 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/TSTMS 6 20 20 100

GROUND STOPS

ARPT UPDATE POE SCOPE REASON ADVZY
ATL 2030 MED 2ndTier-ZAB WEATHER/TSTMS 117
IAD 2000 MED ZDC WX/TSTMS

DELAY INFO

ARPT AD DD TIME REASON
ATL -30 1838 ENROUTE WX
DAL +15 1802 TSTMS
DFW +75 1904 TSTMS
IAH +30 1834 TSTMS
MCO +15 1913 ENROUTE WX
PHL -45 1856 WX:LOW CIGS/VIS
AIRPORT CLOSURES

ARPT TIME REASON REOPEN

 

[Kev3188]

Severe Weather Avoidance Plan - simplified, it's for when there route deviations for weather.

Jim

[edit]

There's so much traffic in the DCA-BOS corridor, that when you start getting significant numbers of aircraft deviating around weather the only way to handle it is to reduce the number of airplanes entering the airspace. That means spacing airplanes bound for, or departing from, airports in the NE further apart by holding them on the ground beyond their normal departure times.

[post="279594"][/post]​

Thanks for the info!

 

[Jonnyd]

Sat in PHL 2-3 hours this morning trying to get to DC only to have the flight as well as the one after it cancelled. Driving can be a lot less irritating sometimes.

 

[MarkMyWords]

And the fun just keeps on coming!!!

Last updated Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:44:01 GMT Provided by the FAA's Air Traffic Control System Command Center.)
GROUND DELAY PROGRAMS

ARPT START END FLIGHTS SCOPE REASON AVG AAR PR ADVZY
BDL 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 11 13 13 114
BOS 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 45 38 38 063
BWI 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 42 45 45 068
CYYZ 1830 0159 ALL CZY/CZW/CZU/CZM+ZOB1 RWY:CONST 9 42 42 097
EWR 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 52 42 42 070
HPN 1800 2359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 45 16 16 110
JFK 2000 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 39 32 32 072
LGA 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 42 40 40 065
MHT 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 24 8 8 115
MMU 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 31 7 7 113
ORD 1600 0159 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/WIND 65 76 76 085
PHL 1415 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/LOW CIGS 113 36 36 071
PVD 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/SWAP 31 10 10 112
TEB 1800 0359 ALL ALL+CZY_AP WEATHER/TSTMS 6 20 20 100

[post="279830"][/post]​

This is what really frosts my cookies. BWI, PHL, LGA, EWR are ll close in proximity and generally use the same "airspace". Initially these storms did not directly effect any of these airports when the delay programs were started.

Can someone explain to me how delays in BWI, LGA and EWR averaged 42-52 minutes but delays in PHL averaged 113? Of course, the GDP doesn't say that the delays in PHL were attributed to SWAP, but instead blame Low Ceilings. I honestly think that PHL ATC intentionally screws with us.

 

[markkus757]

The history of the larger delays, I believe, is two-fold. The two east-west runways are too close for true simultaneous takeoffs and landings, cutting capacity in half during bad weather. It is also a fact that the airspace gets stolen by both NYC and WAS when they have bad weather and need to stack airplanes. PHL gets dumped on from both directions.

 

[WestCoastGuy]

PHL has always been a mess, always will be....what a place to try to run a hub effeciently. Bonehead idea.

 

[MarkMyWords]

To me, since this wasn't an issue of airport constraints - the weather was still in central OH when the GDP's started - then the delays at all 4 airports should have been equal. The constraints were due to airspace/route constraints - not a problem at the PHL airport. As the weather approached the individual airports, then you would expect different GDP's and Ground stops to control flow issues at that particular airport.

 

[luvn737s]

The history of the larger delays, I believe, is two-fold. The two east-west runways are too close for true simultaneous takeoffs and landings, cutting capacity in half during bad weather. It is also a fact that the airspace gets stolen by both NYC and WAS when they have bad weather and need to stack airplanes. PHL gets dumped on from both directions.

[post="280032"][/post]​

I thought PHL ran PRM ILS approaches to alleviate this. The only problem is you can't get close enough to the airport to shoot any kind of approach since you're holding at BUNTS.

And yet Southwest sees this as their Canaan land, theirs for the taking!

 

[Finish or Ignore]

And yet Southwest sees this as their Canaan land, theirs for the taking!

[post="280095"][/post]​

I don't think WN sees this as their Caanaan land. All they need to do is keep fares/revenue down for us in the few places we make money. They are strong enough to execute their plan while making little or no money.