State of the Eagle Address.

[RJcasualty]

 
We've seen time and time again what happens when carriers merge. Many, many cities lose service and or frequency. I expect this situation to be no different. Actually worse since with only three larger carriers, there really isn't any incentive to fly to smaller cities which might bring down revenues and/or yields.

Funny how airline deregulation works isn't it?  Maybe it will entice deep discounters to use the convenient, under-utilized regional airports as alternative platforms for point to point flying. Stay tuned.

 

[eolesen]

Based on your scenario, regional service to third tier cities would go the way of the post office. All investments to attract and maintain such service is money down the toilet. All efforts to attract business, industry--- jobs-- to those places through reliable regional air service was misplaced. Where are we headed with this?

 
Just a little exaggeration on your part. Trimming back service to one hub when there's overlapping service to other hubs was fully expected. In the cases of TUS-PHX and EWR-PHL on US, or CLT-LGA and CLT-ORD on AA, those routes existed only to feed the hub with some spill traffic that US and AA were able to capture by price matching what UA and DL were offering via competing hubs.
 

Breaking news from XJET on their pilot TA ratification vote:  "...a RESOUNDING NO!!! 91% participation. 83% No..." Regional pilots are starting to lay down the barricades.

 
Perhaps the pilots there are a little too anxious to set themselves up to be Comair III...

As a historical point, Skywest bought both XJ and EV on the cheap. They were always higher cost operations than OO's own operation, and that's why they failed as independents.

All of Skywest's 300 orders and 300 options are on target to go to OO, not EV. Given that EV is still higher cost, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that EV will be wound down as long as they stay higher cost than OO.

The pilots know that, and their "no" vote probably felt great, but in the end, economic gravity usually wins over emotion.
 

Funny how airline deregulation works isn't it?  Maybe it will entice deep discounters to use the convenient, under-utilized regional airports as alternative platforms for point to point flying.

Yeah, that's probably not likely.

It certainly didn't happen during the previous 32 years of deregulation, and that's while fuel was relatively cheap, used airplanes could be leased on the cheap, and there were always pilots on furlough somewhere.

 

[Jacobin777]

 


Yeah, that's probably not likely.

It certainly didn't happen during the previous 32 years of deregulation, and that's while fuel was relatively cheap, used airplanes could be leased on the cheap, and there were always pilots on furlough somewhere.

 
+1. It doesn't happen too much anymore. Maybe if the price of Jet-A drops by 50% would we see services to smaller communities start up again.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I hope the pilots give Eagle the middle finger and tell them to kiss the fattest part of their axx.

 

[RJcasualty]

The turmoil at AE and the role of regionals going forward is but a minor, inconvenient  speed bump to where the industry would secretly like to be. That place would resemble the present day maritime shipping industry with their flags and headquarters of convenience, greased with cabotage and cheap foreign labor. The US election cycle, potentially favoring the GOP in '16 could lend a hand to the process. Already in Europe, the emergence of Norway Air--- armed with a 2.5 billion dollar Boeing/Airbus order portfolio is sending chills down the spine of both legacies and discounters over there. US airline's cavalier treatment of their regional workforce through fear and whipsaw is testament to what bodes for the rest of you. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The turmoil at AE and the role of regionals going forward is but a minor, inconvenient  speed bump to where the industry would secretly like to be. That place would resemble the present day maritime shipping industry with their flags and headquarters of convenience, greased with cabotage and cheap foreign labor.

I believe I already said that.
 
 

The US election cycle, potentially favoring the GOP in '16 could lend a hand to the process.

I doubt the GOP could possibly do more damage to this country than Obama.  
 

 
The estimated population of the United States is 317,449,025
so each citizen's share of this debt is $54,466.43.

 

[700UW]

You do realize Congress is the one who authorizes monies spent, not the President.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You do realize Congress is the one who authorizes monies spent, not the President.

Government Shutdown.
 
Go ahead and keep defending Obama.
 
People are starting to see him for the manipulator he really is.

 

[700UW]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/a-brief-history-of-the-2013-government-shutdown/
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/why-did-the-us-government_b_4064789.html
 
And we all know the shutdown was caused by the republicans who wanted to defund the Affordable Healthcare Act.

Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[RJcasualty]

I apologize for injecting at least some tangental political economics in my posts. This thread is dedicated to the plight of pilots at a newly re-named AAG subsidiary known as Envoy. The only debt conceivably up for discussion in this thread is the student debt that aspiring pilots take on to be part of a profession whose services are being disrespected and devalued--- while a group of selfish corporatists wallow in a sea of cash that even Wall Street deems unusual:  http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/01/american-airlines-does-it-need-10-billion-in-cash-lying-around.html/

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You do realize Congress is the one who authorizes monies spent, not the President.

 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/a-brief-history-of-the-2013-government-shutdown/
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/why-did-the-us-government_b_4064789.html
 
And we all know the shutdown was caused by the republicans who wanted to defund the Affordable Healthcare Act.
Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.

Just keep telling yourself that.

 

[700UW]

Just keep lying to yourself.

Guess you cant comprehend how the Federal Government works.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I apologize for injecting at least some tangental political economics in my posts. This thread is dedicated to the plight of pilots at a newly re-named AAG subsidiary known as Envoy. The only debt conceivably up for discussion in this thread is the student debt that aspiring pilots take on to be part of a profession whose services are being disrespected and devalued--- while a group of selfish corporatists wallow in a sea of cash that even Wall Street deems unusual:  http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/01/american-airlines-does-it-need-10-billion-in-cash-lying-around.html/

You opened the door and now your closing it. Very well. I respect you're point and agree with you.
 
The fact is the pilots probably should have seen this coming. The airline industry has been trying to decimate labor for years. Did the pilots think they were immune?
 
I agree that a pilot is a high skilled job. I agree that it is very expensive to obtain a pilots license. I also agree that the pilots are being way undervalued, but then again that is the corporate culture today isn't it?
 
The fact is in business you do not get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate. 
 
Labor has communicated to business that they can take advantage of them. When those pilots agreed to do that job for that low of pay that was a green light.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Just keep lying to yourself.
Guess you cant comprehend how the Federal Government works.

In the interest of keeping this on topic I am going to let that slide. If you want to battle it out go to the water cooler. Can we not put our political differences aside in the interest of supporting industry labor?

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

http://newamericanarriving.com/images/uploads/Arrivals_9_5_Edition.pdf

...

 
http://www.cwa-union.org/news/entry/american_airlines_us_airways_employees_say_let_us_compete_together/
 
He added, "At US Airways, we've already suffered through very turbulent times in our industry. My co-workers and I have suffered through two bankruptcies, pay cuts and that sinking feeling that things might never turn around. American Airlines workers have lost jobs and seen their benefits slashed. Their airline remains in bankruptcy. This merger finally is the opportunity for all our sacrifices to be rewarded."
 
Activists also included members of AFA-CWA, APA, APFA, IBT, TWU and USAPA.