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The situation as it stands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgaUfW_1sC4
State of the Eagle Address.
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nycbusdriver
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Very sobering, but not surprising.
This has always been the modus operandi of the Tempe Brain Trust, now the Ft. Worth Wizzes.
This has always been the modus operandi of the Tempe Brain Trust, now the Ft. Worth Wizzes.
La Li Lu Le Lo
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Mass quit on them. At 25k a year you would be better off working at Subway. You should make the public very aware of the high cost and low pay of being a pilot.
I am sure the government will allow "insourcing" of someone from a third world country because "American Eagle can't find qualified Americans to do the job".
I believe the new flight requirements were nothing more than another government attack on labor. The government is trying to create an environment to phase out the American pilot.
I find it funny how the American government subjects citizens to 10 year background checks to work for an airline yet, they have whole cleaning crews of aliens AT THE AIRPORT who can not speak a word of English among them. There is no way they are doing background checks on all of those people. I doubt 75% of them are even legal.
I am sure the government will allow "insourcing" of someone from a third world country because "American Eagle can't find qualified Americans to do the job".
I believe the new flight requirements were nothing more than another government attack on labor. The government is trying to create an environment to phase out the American pilot.
I find it funny how the American government subjects citizens to 10 year background checks to work for an airline yet, they have whole cleaning crews of aliens AT THE AIRPORT who can not speak a word of English among them. There is no way they are doing background checks on all of those people. I doubt 75% of them are even legal.
Glenn Quagmire
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You have nailed it.La Li Lu Le Lo said:
"The government" is secretly tightening rest rules and times to eliminate Americans from the pilot workforce. The master plan is to hire third world nationals to fly all US aircraft.
Thank you for opening our eyes to this...
La Li Lu Le Lo
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Honestly, with our history I do not know if you are being sarcastic or if you are serious.Glenn Quagmire said:
nycbusdriver
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La Li Lu Le Lo said:
The "public" doesn't give a crap about pilots making $25K per year. As long as they can pay $400 for a transcontinental round-trip, that's all that matters.
The government can't just "allow" non-nationals to fly US registered airplanes in airline service. It would take a change in the laws against cabotage which would find a difficult route to passage. Possible, yes, but not without quite a fight.
bob@las-AA
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American Eagle gets no sympathy from me or any of us that work at American Airlines, period!
The single biggest threat to jobs at American is Eagle! Before this contract, Eagle was in check,
with doing only 6% of the miles AA flew, now it is dramatically and dangerously higher.
Now that Eagle is getting larger aircraft, the day may come when all stations will have contract labor,
and large Eagle planes that should be AA’s staffed with UNION LABOR!.
The single biggest threat to jobs at American is Eagle! Before this contract, Eagle was in check,
with doing only 6% of the miles AA flew, now it is dramatically and dangerously higher.
Now that Eagle is getting larger aircraft, the day may come when all stations will have contract labor,
and large Eagle planes that should be AA’s staffed with UNION LABOR!.
That was 11 minutes of my life I won't get back. This dude acts like a green new hire when it comes to management. His rants are things that have been going on for years at American. Only difference is that people like him were more than willing to work at Eagle flying stuff that was and still should have been American's. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it is his job that he is worried that some other kid might be more than willing to do for cheaper. My advice, he should go see what an APA member thinks about the situation. He might not like the answer. I have a feeling this whole thing passes. This guy better be applying to other companies, since he thinks the flow through is such a farce.
FrugalFlyerv2.0
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$400? What a rip-off!nycbusdriver said:
Thomas Paine
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Lets say that you call their bluff, and they actually do "shut it down".
Are the planes you guys are currently flying empty? Half full? Probably not, where are all those passengers , most of whom end up on mainline going to go?
Eagles fate will be determined based on factors that have nothing to do with the concessions they are demanding, whether you vote yes or NO changes nothing.
I doubt that AA has anything set in place to move those passengers, so the likelihood of them simply shutting down Eagle immediately and permanently as a result is remote. You may see a short period like Spirit but as the weather gets warmer and more people travel they wont keep those planes on the ground.
They say "accept this or we will shut you down", what else do they have to threaten you with that would not be laughed out of the room? Can they claim that there are thousands of qualified pilots out there clamoring to work for $25k a year? NO.
Flow through? AA makes out just as much as any pilot does in that deal, in fact they make out better because they have your slave labor at Eagle then have you for another dozen years at low pay at AA before you start making good money. The fact is that AA is in desperate need of pilots, look at the ones they have, do you see any without grey hair? Sure lower pay and bumping the age up to 65 has mitigated the shortage for a while but they are more desperate than they let on. If the industry could have crushed the Spirit Pilots they would have, but they couldn't and Spirit pilots got their pay boosted up to rates at other carriers that flew similar equipment, there was a lot more at stake at Spirit than one carrier, A4A would have loved to have seen the Spirit pilots crushed, but that didn't happen. If they could have afforded to make an example out of Sprit they would have.The pilots prevailed at Spirit, so will you if you fight back.
Don't fall for their BS, Flow through will happen anyway, AA needs to keep some sort of supply chain in place for airmen.
Spirit was the last Airline to see a strike, no doubt Spirit management was threatening their pilots with shutting down the airline as well. here is what Wiki says about the Spirit pilots strike;
Are the planes you guys are currently flying empty? Half full? Probably not, where are all those passengers , most of whom end up on mainline going to go?
Eagles fate will be determined based on factors that have nothing to do with the concessions they are demanding, whether you vote yes or NO changes nothing.
I doubt that AA has anything set in place to move those passengers, so the likelihood of them simply shutting down Eagle immediately and permanently as a result is remote. You may see a short period like Spirit but as the weather gets warmer and more people travel they wont keep those planes on the ground.
They say "accept this or we will shut you down", what else do they have to threaten you with that would not be laughed out of the room? Can they claim that there are thousands of qualified pilots out there clamoring to work for $25k a year? NO.
Flow through? AA makes out just as much as any pilot does in that deal, in fact they make out better because they have your slave labor at Eagle then have you for another dozen years at low pay at AA before you start making good money. The fact is that AA is in desperate need of pilots, look at the ones they have, do you see any without grey hair? Sure lower pay and bumping the age up to 65 has mitigated the shortage for a while but they are more desperate than they let on. If the industry could have crushed the Spirit Pilots they would have, but they couldn't and Spirit pilots got their pay boosted up to rates at other carriers that flew similar equipment, there was a lot more at stake at Spirit than one carrier, A4A would have loved to have seen the Spirit pilots crushed, but that didn't happen. If they could have afforded to make an example out of Sprit they would have.The pilots prevailed at Spirit, so will you if you fight back.
Don't fall for their BS, Flow through will happen anyway, AA needs to keep some sort of supply chain in place for airmen.
Spirit was the last Airline to see a strike, no doubt Spirit management was threatening their pilots with shutting down the airline as well. here is what Wiki says about the Spirit pilots strike;
As a pilot you should be aware of the market. Do you believe that the service you provide is of no value and that the only way the company will continue to provide it is if you basically do it for free? Do you believe that the system can absorb the capacity of Eagle?
Not 1:1, but this is consistent with the upsizing trend to reduce CASM, 319 replaces 76 seat RJ, 76 seat RJ replaces 50 seat RJ700UW said:
And you can thank the IAM for back room deals with RJ operators for ground handling agreements that have destroyed middle class mainline carrier jobs.
Josh
