Southwest Tried to Hide Safety Problems

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FAA inspectors: Southwest tried to hide safety problems

Southwest Airlines tried to keep serious problems with its maintenance program hidden and pressured the Federal Aviation Administration to keep out an inspector who noticed the problems, according to two FAA inspectors who blew the whistle on the airline.

Bobby Boutris and Douglas Peters told CNN Wednesday they brought information about Southwest's lack of compliance with mandatory inspection protocols to their supervisors, but the FAA did nothing.

Boutris said the airline tried to have him removed from the inspections.

"My supervisor called me into his office ... and told me he had had a meeting with the director of quality assurance and the AD [airworthiness directive] compliance leader from Southwest Airlines, and he had requested my removal from the inspection," Boutris said.

Linda Rutherford, Southwest's public relations vice president, wouldn't comment on the inspectors' allegations, noting that company Chairman Herb Kelleher and CEO Gary Kelly would be testifying Thursday before a House panel convened to look into the issue.

"Out of respect for the congressional hearing process, we will present testimony there, both oral and in writing, that addresses many of the questions being asked," she said. "Out of respect for the committee hearing process, we need to let those questions wait for the committee."

CNN was unable to reach the FAA for a comment Wednesday night, but earlier in the day, acting administrator Robert Sturgell would not discuss specifics of the Southwest matter.

"We had a breakdown in the system with Southwest Airlines. It was a two-way breakdown," Sturgell said, without elaborating.

Boutris and Peters, along with representatives from the FAA, are also scheduled to testify at Thursday's House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, which conducted an investigation after the two inspectors brought forward their concerns.

Peters said he doubted anything would have changed if he and Boutris had not spoken up.

"Bobby and I were not happy with the state of Southwest Airlines' maintenance program," Peters told CNN Wednesday. "We weren't happy. And we saw the airline was at risk due to the lax oversight. And because of this, we just weren't willing to accept anything other than sweeping change."

In early March, CNN obtained documents from the House committee investigation that alleged the discount airline kept dozens of aircraft in the air without mandatory inspections -- and in some cases, with defects the inspections were designed to detect.

Boutris and Peters said FAA managers knew the Southwest planes were flying illegally and did nothing about it, according to the documents.

The inspectors wrote that Southwest, which carried more passengers in the United States last year than any other airline, flew at least 70 planes without a mandatory inspection on the rudder unit, part of the steering mechanism, some of them as much as 30 months beyond the mandatory rudder inspection.

The airline also flew at least 47 planes beyond a mandatory inspection of the fuselage, or skin, of the planes for possible cracks, the inspectors said. When the inspections were carried out, six of the planes were found to have possibly dangerous cracks, they said.

Speaking with CNN Wednesday, Boutris questioned why the airline did not immediately ground those 47 planes when they learned they were out of compliance.

"It is sad that an FAA inspector has to become a whistle blower in order to do his job," Boutris told CNN. "And the job is -- that we were hired by the taxpayers -- to ensure the airlines provide safe transportation for the flying public. It shouldn't have to come to this."

Boutris and Peters are seeking protection via the federal whistle blower protection program.

After the initial revelations, the FAA proposed a $10.2 million fine -- its biggest ever against an airline -- against Southwest for flying Boeing 737s without mandatory checks for fuselage cracking. Later, the agency ordered its inspectors to ensure airlines were complying with 10 airworthiness directives -- orders to check or correct a known unsafe condition -- and to expand the review to include more directives thereafter.

Sturgell, speaking at a news conference Wednesday, said the audit showed 99 percent compliance with federal airworthiness directives. There is room for improvement, said Sturgell, adding he is proposing several initiatives to strengthen the reporting role and regulatory process.

The new reporting system is to be in place by April 30, he said.

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Sour Grapes? CMA? Not my fault. Must be the bogeyman behind that tree?

The FAA has not looked good in all the recent disclosures. It is interesting to me that no action has been taken against the alleged whistleblower. Going to CNN rather than filing a formal whistleblower complaint is NOT approved procedure for Federal Government employees. As a matter of fact, in most Federal agencies, talking to the media about ANY agency problem (unless you are a designated agency spokesperson) is considered grounds for termination.
 
I have had fundemental issues with the way the FAA enforcement of all airlines is carried out, mostly because too much power rests with the various regional offices and the policies of the regional offices seem to vary quite a bit. There should be one set of rules and one set of interpretations of the rules and this should apply to each and every US flag carrier.
 
I'm NO fan of WN !!!

With that said, I want to VERY MUCH think that HERB knew nothing of what was going on.(I was watching C-span) It seemed strange to see a guy like HERB in the "hot seat". He IS IMHO one of few Great men in the Industry !!!!!!!!!!

With Jim Oberstar being a Rep. from Minneapolis, (WN does NOT fly from there), I NOW FIRMLY believe that WN will NEVER "open up shop" in MSP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As to ATA, is it a fair question to ask if Gary Kelly had any last second communications with the boss's at ATA ? I like to think he did NOT, considering WN has customers on the Islands, as we speak.

These past thirty days have NOT been ones that WN will care to remember !!!!!!!!!!!

I also think it's a good bet that the AA/WN rumors heat up again.
 
I wouldn't stop at the FSDO / Regional offices. To get to the real source of the problems, look no further than Washington DC. They seem to think non aviation officials are doing just fine running the place. They are too stupid to understand how the airlines really operate regarding maintenance. It's not just LUV, but rather ALL of them!

Isn't it a strange coincidence that after Southwest got caught all of a sudden American, United, U-S, Delta(?) all started to find oversights in their inspection programs? I can assure you that had Southwest not been caught short, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of any other air carrier out there. Why? Because who would be the wiser??

I left aviation three years ago due in part to this exact scenario. Things just continued to get lax and then all the outsourcing to the CHEAPEST bidder. Then they try to convince you it's just as safe as if it was done inhouse. What a bunch of habitual LIARS!! No way in hell is that possible when less than half of the workforce does NOT speak or read english!!! BTW, ALL aircraft MTC Manuals are written in ENGLISH.

The FAA will never have any power unless they get serious about enforcement. Yet they have cut the amount of inspectors? That $10.2 million fine Southwest was slapped with will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED to a small percentage of the original fine. So ask yourself why would the FAA allow that? Simply put, because they are supposed to promote aviation as well as enforce the FAR's. What could be more contradicting than that??? Nothing.

When you get bored, look up the amount of political contributions that the airlines make to certain politicians. Hmmmmmmm.........I wonder what that is all about <_< ???
 
E-Trons, I am not going to disagree with any of the thrust of your comment. My point regarding the regional offices is that there was a built-in lack of uniformity in the system. As for Washington, I would need to discuss politics to address what I consider to be the issues there and the Mods generally don't approve of political discussion so I will refrain. However, just from that last sentence you can probably figure out what I would be saying.
 
With Jim Oberstar being a Rep. from Minneapolis, (WN does NOT fly from there), I NOW FIRMLY believe that WN will NEVER "open up shop" in MSP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, what I would like to see, just to spite Jim Oberstar is for Wn to fly to MSP and shut down NW! Then lets watch him cry foul again.
 
I wouldn't stop at the FSDO / Regional offices. To get to the real source of the problems, look no further than Washington DC. They seem to think non aviation officials are doing just fine running the place. They are too stupid to understand how the airlines really operate regarding maintenance. It's not just LUV, but rather ALL of them!

Isn't it a strange coincidence that after Southwest got caught all of a sudden American, United, U-S, Delta(?) all started to find oversights in their inspection programs? I can assure you that had Southwest not been caught short, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of any other air carrier out there. Why? Because who would be the wiser??

I left aviation three years ago due in part to this exact scenario. Things just continued to get lax and then all the outsourcing to the CHEAPEST bidder. Then they try to convince you it's just as safe as if it was done inhouse. What a bunch of habitual LIARS!! No way in hell is that possible when less than half of the workforce does NOT speak or read english!!! BTW, ALL aircraft MTC Manuals are written in ENGLISH.

The FAA will never have any power unless they get serious about enforcement. Yet they have cut the amount of inspectors? That $10.2 million fine Southwest was slapped with will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED to a small percentage of the original fine. So ask yourself why would the FAA allow that? Simply put, because they are supposed to promote aviation as well as enforce the FAR's. What could be more contradicting than that??? Nothing.

When you get bored, look up the amount of political contributions that the airlines make to certain politicians. Hmmmmmmm.........I wonder what that is all about <_< ???


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E-TRONS,

Then using your theory about maintainance , I guess that makes AMERICAN Airlines a/c the safest/best maintained in the sky ???????

:up: :up:
 
Sour Grapes? CMA? Not my fault. Must be the bogeyman behind that tree?

The FAA has not looked good in all the recent disclosures. It is interesting to me that no action has been taken against the alleged whistleblower. Going to CNN rather than filing a formal whistleblower complaint is NOT approved procedure for Federal Government employees. As a matter of fact, in most Federal agencies, talking to the media about ANY agency problem (unless you are a designated agency spokesperson) is considered grounds for termination.
I watched the entire hearing. He did follow all the proper channels and eventally filed with the IG.

"Action against the whistleblower?"

You really need to watch the hearing before making such statements.

Full hearing is here.
 
Sour Grapes? CMA? Not my fault. Must be the bogeyman behind that tree?

No it really did not look like any of that at all. It did appear that WN is a devious company that is willing to sacrifice safety for schedule.
 
How long were your 777s flying risky before somebody shut 'em all down the other day?

News flash. The 777's were actually flyable according to today's news wire. The conservative action was to assure compliance. It was assured and found to be over and above the required steps necessary. But hey we are thinking safety. What the F- were you people thinking????

As for the somebody that "shut'em down" that would have been UAL personnel that took this precaution. Which SWA employees actually take safety seriously? Doesn't appear that anyone at SWA does if you listen to SWORN testimony.

Nice show. Too bad you could not have turned that into one of your commercials. "Ding" you are now free to be skewered by congress for SAFETY.
 
News flash. The 777's were actually flyable according to today's news wire.

So were our 737's, so you might want to shut it, Mr. Glass House. <_<
damn, broke my own 'non-reply' rule!!

Appreciate everyone else's respectful debate.
 

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