eolesen
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Pilots Vote No on TA
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jimntx
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I loved this statement..."We welcome the opportunity for our negotiating teams to re-engage and work toward an agreement that best meets the needs of our Company and our outstanding Pilots during these challenging economic times."
As opposed to the statement AMR might make..."We are deeply disappointed in the actions of those thieving pilots who are trying to destroy our company. We see no changes we could make to the TA that would be economically feasible and would not jeopardize the executive bonusses."
As opposed to the statement AMR might make..."We are deeply disappointed in the actions of those thieving pilots who are trying to destroy our company. We see no changes we could make to the TA that would be economically feasible and would not jeopardize the executive bonusses."
I loved this statement..."We welcome the opportunity for our negotiating teams to re-engage and work toward an agreement that best meets the needs of our Company and our outstanding Pilots during these challenging economic times."
As opposed to the statement AMR might make..."We are deeply disappointed in the actions of those thieving pilots who are trying to destroy our company. We see no changes we could make to the TA that would be economically feasible and would not jeopardize the executive bonusses."
Don't think for a moment that management isn't thinking that at WN. That being said, They are smart enough to know not to say it. The pilots will get a deal, but the company isn't going to freely throw out money and benefits without something in exchange. WN is starting to hurt just like everyone else. I remember just a few months ago they advertised "No added Fees". What happened ? You can only squeeze so much money out of a ticket. WN has started to get on the bandwagon, and I bet you see more.
fudgerunyard
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My how quickly SWA starts singing a new tune now that their fuel hedges are essentially gone...SWA would have been in the same boat as any other U.S. carrier had it not been for their hedges. These guys didn't exactly reinvent the wheel.
They did come close.
They created a business model unlike any other that had been undertaken in the airline industry prior to their start in 1971.
It has been quite successful.
Southwest emulated PSA which was wildly successful for a number of years, mostly in California.
PSA was a victim of deregulation and was raped and pillaged by what is now US Airways.
The topic is the Pilot TA at Southwest. Stick to the topic or the thread will be closed. Comments regarding how well Southwest is or is not doing (which in the negative appear to be more based on wishful thinking rather than hard data) may result in suspension. A word to the wise?
would code share flying fall under the category of scheduling?
SharoninSAT
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In the meantime, CSA's and Reservations (5,300)
represented by the IAM District 142 voted on June 23rd
to ratify a 4 year contract.
represented by the IAM District 142 voted on June 23rd
to ratify a 4 year contract.
SharoninSAT
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New Southwest pilots' contract up for vote
By The Associated Press © 2009 The Associated Press
Sept. 17, 2009, 8:37PM
DALLAS — Southwest Airlines Co. said Thursday the board of its pilots' union has voted to send a new tentative contract agreement to membership for a ratification vote. The low-cost carrier's pilots in June narrowly rejected a previous deal.
The new proposal is a five-year agreement running through Aug. 31, 2011. The Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association union and the airline have been in negotiations since their contract became changeable in September 2006. By federal law, labor contracts in the airline industry don't expire but can be renegotiated at the end of their term.
"Although this new proposal was negotiated during a very different and consistently challenging economic period than the previous tentative agreement, we are proud that we could still offer our hardworking pilots a proposal that is responsible, yet reflects the current uncertain economic outlook," said Gary Kelly, Southwest chairman, president and CEO, in a statement.
The current tentative agreement rewards pilots for the company's past two years of profitability, while making the move to link the next two years' compensation to Southwest's financial performance, the company and union said in a joint statement. The deal is subject to a vote by the full union membership of more than 5,900 pilots. Further details weren't disclosed.
The voting period will be determined by the union.
Pilots at Southwest in June voted down a tentative deal reached in January that would have given them pay raises in the midst of a slump in the airline industry. The vote was close, with less than 51 percent voting against the five-year deal. It marked the first time the pilots' union had rejected a contract at Southwest.
That contract had called for pay raises of 2 percent each of the first three years, then raises based on Southwest's profitability in the final two years of the deal. Some other labor groups at Southwest received annual raises of 3 percent.
Union president Carl Kuwitzky said at the time that despite pay raises the proposed contract — which the union board had recommended — "contained too many other negative aspects to ratify it." He also had said that changes in how pilots are scheduled and how overtime is calculated were among the concerns he heard from pilots.
There had also been grumbling about Southwest's plans to sell travel to Canada and Mexico on partner airlines, which many pilots consider a threat to their jobs.
Wall Street analysts have questioned Southwest's management about labor deals that gave pay raises while the airline industry was in a dire slump. Customer-service and reservations agents at Southwest earlier this summer ratified a new contract that gives the workers 3 percent pay raises and better retirement benefits. Southwest flight attendants also approved a new contract with raises this year.
Dallas-based Southwest in July broke a string of three straight losing quarters by scratching out a small second-quarter gain. But Chairman and CEO Gary C. Kelly said that he couldn't predict another profit in the third quarter and warned that "the worst is ahead," mainly because of rising fuel costs.
Southwest, which has never laid off workers, announced that 1,400 employees — about 4 percent of its 35,000-person work force — took offers of cash and travel benefits to leave the company.
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New Southwest pilots' contract up for vote | Business news | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
By The Associated Press © 2009 The Associated Press
Sept. 17, 2009, 8:37PM
DALLAS — Southwest Airlines Co. said Thursday the board of its pilots' union has voted to send a new tentative contract agreement to membership for a ratification vote. The low-cost carrier's pilots in June narrowly rejected a previous deal.
The new proposal is a five-year agreement running through Aug. 31, 2011. The Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association union and the airline have been in negotiations since their contract became changeable in September 2006. By federal law, labor contracts in the airline industry don't expire but can be renegotiated at the end of their term.
"Although this new proposal was negotiated during a very different and consistently challenging economic period than the previous tentative agreement, we are proud that we could still offer our hardworking pilots a proposal that is responsible, yet reflects the current uncertain economic outlook," said Gary Kelly, Southwest chairman, president and CEO, in a statement.
The current tentative agreement rewards pilots for the company's past two years of profitability, while making the move to link the next two years' compensation to Southwest's financial performance, the company and union said in a joint statement. The deal is subject to a vote by the full union membership of more than 5,900 pilots. Further details weren't disclosed.
The voting period will be determined by the union.
Pilots at Southwest in June voted down a tentative deal reached in January that would have given them pay raises in the midst of a slump in the airline industry. The vote was close, with less than 51 percent voting against the five-year deal. It marked the first time the pilots' union had rejected a contract at Southwest.
That contract had called for pay raises of 2 percent each of the first three years, then raises based on Southwest's profitability in the final two years of the deal. Some other labor groups at Southwest received annual raises of 3 percent.
Union president Carl Kuwitzky said at the time that despite pay raises the proposed contract — which the union board had recommended — "contained too many other negative aspects to ratify it." He also had said that changes in how pilots are scheduled and how overtime is calculated were among the concerns he heard from pilots.
There had also been grumbling about Southwest's plans to sell travel to Canada and Mexico on partner airlines, which many pilots consider a threat to their jobs.
Wall Street analysts have questioned Southwest's management about labor deals that gave pay raises while the airline industry was in a dire slump. Customer-service and reservations agents at Southwest earlier this summer ratified a new contract that gives the workers 3 percent pay raises and better retirement benefits. Southwest flight attendants also approved a new contract with raises this year.
Dallas-based Southwest in July broke a string of three straight losing quarters by scratching out a small second-quarter gain. But Chairman and CEO Gary C. Kelly said that he couldn't predict another profit in the third quarter and warned that "the worst is ahead," mainly because of rising fuel costs.
Southwest, which has never laid off workers, announced that 1,400 employees — about 4 percent of its 35,000-person work force — took offers of cash and travel benefits to leave the company.
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New Southwest pilots' contract up for vote | Business news | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
