Pilot Recall Rate Less Than 20%

[EastUS]

What an absolutly dumb thing to do and say however one must consider the source!!

"What an absolutly dumb thing to do" HOW? = By showing some proper "appreciation" for all that's been done? You cannot see even the smallest benefit to a pilot's self respect that might choose to do such? You see no possible benefit to such a protest action? I'm with you on one thing= "one must consider the source!!" :down:

 

[N965VJ]

Please take it. And on the first day of class, fax in a resignation letter. And then leave it.

Excellent idea.

 

[Phoenix]

Please take it. And on the first day of class, fax in a resignation letter. And then leave it.

If you're going to start over, start over at a real airline.

As mentioned earlier seven pilots in the last class changed their mind after accepting recall. Since the company is forcing recall inspite of the fact that the seniority issue is obviously not solved I would expect a very high rate of pilots being in a position were they are struggling with the decission and might change their mind at the last minute.

If the company had been doing recalls a year or two ago when they should have they might not have the problems they now have.

 

[Bear96]

One word of caution about not letting the airline know you won't be coming back.

There was a similar situation at UA for F/As returning from furlough. When your number came up for recall, you would get a letter to which which you would respond indicating whether or not you were returning. If you said you were returning, you would receive a date for returning furloughee training. Some people decided to indicate they were returning, signed up for the training class, but had no intention of showing up. (I think the rationale for doing this was they wanted to try to get a few extra weeks of health insurance coverage or something, which didn't make sense because if you indicated you were not returning, you would still have been on the health plan until after your training date would have been).

It turns out those who informed UA they were not returning ended up being separated with an "eligible for rehire" note in their file. However, those who just skipped out on training with no notice were deemed "ineligible for rehire," which is apparently causing problems for some now when they apply for other jobs and employers are doing background checks and previous employment verifications.

I have no idea if a similar thing is being done at LCC, but it might be worth keeping in mind, and perhaps verifying if this is how LCC is handling it. How much might a future airline career be hurt if a previous place where you worked as a pilot tells a future airline employer that you are not eligible for rehire as a pilot?

Just a thought.

 

[prechilill]

One word of caution about not letting the airline know you won't be coming back.

There was a similar situation at UA for F/As returning from furlough. When your number came up for recall, you would get a letter to which which you would respond indicating whether or not you were returning. If you said you were returning, you would receive a date for returning furloughee training. Some people decided to indicate they were returning, signed up for the training class, but had no intention of showing up. (I think the rationale for doing this was they wanted to try to get a few extra weeks of health insurance coverage or something, which didn't make sense because if you indicated you were not returning, you would still have been on the health plan until after your training date would have been).

It turns out those who informed UA they were not returning ended up being separated with an "eligible for rehire" note in their file. However, those who just skipped out on training with no notice were deemed "ineligible for rehire," which is apparently causing problems for some now when they apply for other jobs and employers are doing background checks and previous employment verifications.

I have no idea if a similar thing is being done at LCC, but it might be worth keeping in mind, and perhaps verifying if this is how LCC is handling it. How much might a future airline career be hurt if a previous place where you worked as a pilot tells a future airline employer that you are not eligible for rehire as a pilot?

Just a thought.

Bear,
just to add to the thought- my wife took a voluntary furlough and when her letter came early (much earlier than we expected) she resigned from UAL. A few weeks later we received a personally signed letter from somebody (don't remember who) and they gave her the UAL wings to keep which she had to turn in before going on furlough. It was a real classy way to say goodbye and although UAL isn't perfect, I will always remember the nice ending to her ten years of service.

 

[Phoenix]

One word of caution about not letting the airline know you won't be coming back...those who just skipped out on training with no notice were deemed "ineligible for rehire," which is apparently causing problems for some now when they apply for other jobs and employers are doing background checks and previous employment verifications.
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LOL!

If you don't return from furlough then you already have a job that is better than the one USAIR is calling you back to.

If a pilot sends in a resignation letter the afternoon before he returns from furlough then big deal. He couldn't make up his mind until the last minute. What's the worst that is gonna happen? He is gonna be "ineligible for rehire" at USAIR. Duh. He resigned. Oh no, he might have a problem getting hired at a new company because he resigned? Hello.. it is not a crime to resign. That is normal.

Maybe they will call the police or the gestapo. "Quick, we have another resigner on the loose."

 

[Bear96]

LOL!

If you don't return from furlough then you already have a job that is better than the one USAIR is calling you back to.

For the moment, yes. But if you have been furloughed, you probably know how quickly a job one day can turn into a pink slip the next.

If a pilot sends in a resignation letter the afternoon before he returns from furlough then big deal. He couldn't make up his mind until the last minute. What's the worst that is gonna happen? He is gonna be "ineligible for rehire" at USAIR. Duh. He resigned. Oh no, he might have a problem getting hired at a new company because he resigned? Hello.. it is not a crime to resign. That is normal.

🙄

Who said anything about a "crime"?

Resigning may indeed be "normal." But it is also normal for potential employers to verify an applicant's status with fomer employers. Often those former employers will give only two pieces of information: (1) They will verify dates of employment, and (2) State whether the applicant is eligible for rehire or not, with no further explanation.

Hey, as I said, it was just a thought. Of course people will do what they want to. It would just be a shame if someone lets a momentary bit of anger at LCC come back to haunt them.

 

[Zarah]

The company is well aware of all that these pilots have been through and more than likely expect resignations on the first day of class. I seriously doubt they would be so vindictive as to put any type of notation in a pilots file that will make it hard for them in the future.

 

[N965VJ]

Bear,
just to add to the thought- my wife took a voluntary furlough and when her letter came early (much earlier than we expected) she resigned from UAL. A few weeks later we received a personally signed letter from somebody (don't remember who) and they gave her the UAL wings to keep which she had to turn in before going on furlough. It was a real classy way to say goodbye and although UAL isn't perfect, I will always remember the nice ending to her ten years of service.

That was a nice thing to do.

When I quit after 15 years, I received a form letter from my supervisor (who I never met) asking me to return mine.

 

[nycbusdriver]

However, those who just skipped out on training with no notice were deemed "ineligible for rehire," which is apparently causing problems for some now when they apply for other jobs and employers are doing background checks and previous employment verifications.

Oooh! This sounds like an appetizing opportunity for a hungry lawyer somewhere. Resigning without any notice is just as legal as firing without notice. If UAL is effectively blackballing these employees, they might be in for quite a surprise when the process servers start showing up at HQ.

 

[Phoenix]

(2) State whether the applicant is eligible for rehire or not, with no further explanation.

Hey, as I said, it was just a thought. Of course people will do what they want to. It would just be a shame if someone lets a momentary bit of anger at LCC come back to haunt them.

The business owners I know won't EVER comment on anything relating to performance. They only confirm the period of employment. And they especially would not be stupid enough to hinder someone's future employment opportunity by implying anything negative and expose themselves to lawsuits (even to the extent that they won't mention employees who were fired after being convicted of a crime).

Resign? And have the company slander you? 🙄

That was a nice thing to do.

When I quit after 15 years, I received a form letter from my supervisor (who I never met) asking me to return mine.

Yeah, severence pay was withheld until the wings were surendered.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> Yeah, severence pay was withheld until the wings were surendered.

Something must be up in CCY.

I’ve been trying to phone Human Resources about my severance pay, but I’m getting a recording that the number has been disconnected.

 

[Furloughedagain]

How long is the break between indoc and aircraft training?

Maybe i'll take some vacation, go to indoc, start collecting a paycheck and then send a resignation letter the first day of aircraft training.

(I don't think I can be that spiteful in all honesty)

 

[Phoenix]

How long is the break between indoc and aircraft training?

Maybe i'll take some vacation, go to indoc, start collecting a paycheck and then send a resignation letter the first day of aircraft training.

(I don't think I can be that spiteful in all honesty)

Going to Indoc might help you decide which company you want to resign from.

 

[Bear96]

Oooh! This sounds like an appetizing opportunity for a hungry lawyer somewhere. Resigning without any notice is just as legal as firing without notice. If UAL is effectively blackballing these employees, they might be in for quite a surprise when the process servers start showing up at HQ.

Yes, resigning without notice is legal.

To clarify, this was only done for people who gave absolutely no notice to UA that they were not going to return, and gave every indication that they would be back on a certain date, but just never showed up or bothered to explain.

So we are really talking about job abandonment here -- but that is a form of resignation and is also "legal" in that an employee breaks no law for quitting with no notice (though s/he may break company policy).

It is also legal for a company to decide you are not eligible for rehire, especially for job abandonment, and even more especially if you lie to the company by, for example, saying you will show up for training on a certain date, and then do not.

I don't see any cause of action for a lawsuit.

The business owners I know won't EVER comment on anything relating to performance. They only confirm the period of employment. And they especially would not be stupid enough to hinder someone's future employment opportunity by implying anything negative and expose themselves to lawsuits (even to the extent that they won't mention employees who were fired after being convicted of a crime).

Resign? And have the company slander you? 🙄

Your legal knowledge is weak.

First, nothing about "performance" is being given out in this case.

Second, it is completely acceptable -- and is standard practice -- for a company to verify dates of employment and confirm eligibility for rehire.

Third, in most -- probably all -- states, there would be no cause of action for giving out this information. Many states now even have statutes specifically protecting an employer giving out information like this.

Fourth, truth is an absolute defense to defamation. So if you are indeed "ineligible for rehire" at Company XYZ, there is no defamation (libel or slander) if Company XYZ says that, because it is true.