Phl Delays Today?

[FlyOnWall]

Anyone have any clue as to why, at 10pm on a Wednesday night, there are at least 20 planes sitting on the runway waiting to take off. (Many of which are over 4 hours delayed?) I've spoken with a few people headed to PIT for training and they're stuck. Sounds a bit fishy. No weather. Any ideas?

 

[tadjr]

NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM STATUS
DELAY INFO

ARPT AD DD TIME REASON
ADS +30 2319 TERMINAL TSTM
BOS -45 0050 TSTMS ENRTE
DAL +15 2317 TERMINAL TSTM
DFW -60 0013 TERMINAL TSTM
DFW -60 2330 TERMINAL TSTM
EWR +135 0150 WX ENRTE
JFK -60 0112 WX ENRTE
LGA -60 0014 SWAP
PHL +120 0050 WX ENRTE
PVD +90 2320 TSTMS WNRTE
TEB +105 0104 WX ENRTE


From the OIS Website.

Some of the planes might have come from the areas affected. Also many flights were late earlier today thanks to the geniuses at TSA. Can anyone say rescreening?

 

[fatherabraham]

There was a security breach around 3pm that caused all pax to exit concourses and return thru security. Lines were horific. This may have provided a dominoe effect.

 

[FlyOnWall]

I had considered both of those ideas but even the flights that were supposed to depart looong after the security issue are very delayed, moreso than normal for a security issue.

There's a 767 sitting with all doors open on the runway and it's full of pax! I have no clue what that might mean. Wish I were a true fly on the wall to hear what's going on.

 

[DCD]

The 767 you mentioned was really a 319. Like many of the a/c waiting for their opportunity to take off, they were sitting with their engines off to conserve fuel. Unfortunatly the APU failed (auto-shutdown) whitch meant once the emergency lights drained they were in the dark until they could be towed to a gate. The doors were open to provide ventilation.

 

[D M G]

Sounds a bit fishy. No weather.

You're kidding right? Pottstown got almost 1.5 inches of rain today. There were scattered thunderstorms all over the PHL area today, up until this evening.

 

[firstamendment]

There is this ongoing myth from the flying public that somehow the airlines are delaying flights on purpose...beats me as to WHY anyone would think this. I CAN say that the airlines do a poor job of educating the public about severe weather and it's effects between the distinations travelled. Yes, city A may have clear weather, as City B may as well...BUT, the inbetween could have had a huge storm cell develope, causing havoc.

I know many get tired of hearing about the busy northeast flying corridor, but it is true that a huge storm cell in that busy area does create many reroutes. I just wish all parties would understand that if expained in a logical and informative way, it won't scare the flying public, as many in the industry feel would happen. I try to explain what happens as the equivalence of a traffic jam caused by, say, construction or an accident. Everything slows down. When explained in such a way, the customer is more at ease.

My #1 recommendation when traveling..especially in the summer? IF POSSIBLE, take the first flight(s) out in the morning and a non-stop if available. While this is not risk free, the chances are much better to get to your final destination on time or at least that day.

 

[StewGuy86]

Delays in PHL? Imagine that!

 

[18yrsandstillonnights]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S DELAYED DUE TO WEATHER?!?!?!?! I just called my sister and she said it was fine on her block !!!!!!!!!


(tongue in cheek for those with no sense of humor)

 

[Hello Newman]

There is this ongoing myth from the flying public that somehow the airlines are delaying flights on purpose...beats me as to WHY anyone would think this. I CAN say that the airlines do a poor job of educating the public about severe weather and it's effects between the distinations travelled. Yes, city A may have clear weather, as City B may as well...BUT, the inbetween could have had a huge storm cell develope, causing havoc.

I know many get tired of hearing about the busy northeast flying corridor, but it is true that a huge storm cell in that busy area does create many reroutes. I just wish all parties would understand that if expained in a logical and informative way, it won't scare the flying public, as many in the industry feel would happen. I try to explain what happens as the equivalence of a traffic jam caused by, say, construction or an accident. Everything slows down. When explained in such a way, the customer is more at ease.

My #1 recommendation when traveling..especially in the summer? IF POSSIBLE, take the first flight(s) out in the morning and a non-stop if available. While this is not risk free, the chances are much better to get to your final destination on time or at least that day.

Poeple will believe what they want. I was taking numerous bag claims off every PHL
arrival last nite. First the planes come in 3 hrs late then they come in w/o baggage.
You should hear the comments in line. I mean STUPID. My 8 year old would'nt say
anything as ludicrous. By the way, my advice to t the PHL CS staff, if you don't know for a fact that the bags are on the flight, don't tell the pax that they are. I'm tired of apologizing for you . Any wonder we're losing market share?

 

[bwipilot]

Was there driving an airplane. Ramp control and ground had no clue how to deal with the situation. Airplanes waiting two hours to get to their open gates because ramp blocked up with airplanes having no place to go. Some lucky flights going outbound going in front of aircraft that pushed and started to taxi (if moving forward 10 feet counts) over an hour earlier (no, slot times were not a factor). Was like watching a sitcom of a dysfunctional family. Ramp had no idea what ground was doing, ground had no idea what tower was doing--and vice versa. I was worried that the guy at clearance delivery was going to have a heart attack he was so overwhelmed. Philly makes LAX, DFW, ORD, STL (old days) PHX et. al. seem like a cake walk. They talk about new runways when what really is needed is more taxiways and new controllers. Oh, almost forgot--and a Philly center to kick NY, Boston, and Wash center in the balls when they decide to close their airspaces to Philly traffic but let their own through. Here's to the red headed step child--PHL

 

[Dark Cloud]

<_< Can see that Philly hasn't changed much over the years. Used to commute weekly from Philly
and during the summer months , it was a regular thing to just sit on a DC-9 pushed off the gate because
of NY Center traffic. Try sitting on a DC-9 for 3 hours in the hot sun and the APU wasn't powerful enough to
handle a fully loaded plane with most of the pass. wearing sports coats and ties. So really things haven't changed since the late
80's. Same thing, just different people and different aircraft.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

This is a N*LAND page from Tuesday - not Wednesday - that I saved. I think I actually prefer winter snowstorms to summer T-storms. Snow affect the airports. T-T-storms mess up the airspace as well.

1N UPDATE 2200E TUESDAY 27 JULY 04 2N . 3N .¶
4N .¶
5N .¶
6N .¶
7N .¶
8N EWR..GDP DUE TO STORMS..DELAYS UP TO 3 HOURS¶
9N . DEPT DELAYS OVER 3 HOURS POSSIBLE¶
10N LGA..GROUND STOP UNTIL 2330 DUE TO STORMS¶
11N . DEPT DELAYS OVER 3 HOURS POSSIBLE¶
12N PHL..GROUND STOP AGAIN DUE TO GRIDLOCK..UPDATE ASAP¶
13N . DEPT DELAYS OVER 5 HR POSSIBLE¶14N IAD..GROUND STOP UNTIL 2200 DUE TO STORMS¶
15N . DEPT DELAYS OVER 45 MIN POSSIBLE¶
16N BWI..GROUND STOP FOR SELECT FLTS UNTIL 2300¶
17N . DEPT DELAYS OVER 2 HRS¶
18N CLT..DEPT DELAYS UP TO 2 HRS POSSIBLE FOR SOME FLTS¶
19N . HEADED NORTH DUE TO LACK OF AVAILABLE ROUTES¶
20N .¶
21N .¶

 

[WestCoastGuy]

PHL..GROUND STOP AGAIN DUE TO GRIDLOCK..UPDATE ASAP¶
13N . DEPT DELAYS OVER 5 HR POSSIBLE

PHL...always a mess, never a good day there. what a place to try to run a hub operation. Everybody hates PHL..customers, crews, even the people that work there.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Having seen it "up close and personal" Wednesday night, I can honestly say that it was the worst I've ever seen it in PHL. Nearly 2-1/2 hours from touchdown to the gate about 8:30pm.

Jim