Ouch!

[Dont call me Shirley]

Anyone know about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuRnaDAkIo&feature=related

 

[tech2101]

Anyone know about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuRnaDAkIo&feature=related

Saw this one about a year ago.

 

[metopower]

Saw this one about a year ago.

Ramp signalman gave the brakes set signal.However when he lowered his hand below his head he released his fists. That was interpreted by the Capt. as the brakes released signal. Believe it or not there was no damage to tug or aircraft. Could have been a disaster.

 

[Kev3188]

I'm still wondering why they didn't just use a headset? Would've made things a whole lot easier.

... I can't believe there was no damage either! If memory serves, the plane went back out about 5-6 hours later?

 

[metopower]

I'm still wondering why they didn't just use a headset? Would've made things a whole lot easier.

... I can't believe there was no damage either! If memory serves, the plane went back out about 5-6 hours later?

One of the major complaints about JFK is lack of headset use. They are either "broken" or missing.So we have to use hand signals.Usually it works fine but you have seen the video. Many of us think that the headsets are in pawn shops .

 

[tech2101]

One of the major complaints about JFK is lack of headset use. They are either "broken" or missing.So we have to use hand signals.Usually it works fine but you have seen the video. Many of us think that the headsets are in pawn shops .

Those David Clark's are expensive...

 

[Kev3188]

Yes they are...

 

[Airlinelifer]

Yes they are...

If the marshaller has no headset, after he gave the "brakes set" signal, he should have held his arms down diagonally and "hold" the plane in position with wands.

 

[Kev3188]

If the marshaller has no headsets, after he gave the "brakes set" signal, he should have held his arms down diagonally and "hold" the plane in position with wands.

That's what I would've done... Easier than holding your arms up as well...

And you're right; no plan, and a whole host of mistakes.

P.S. Nice to see you on here again! 🙂

 

[1Conehead]

One of the major complaints about JFK is lack of headset use. They are either "broken" or missing.So we have to use hand signals.Usually it works fine but you have seen the video. Many of us think that the headsets are in pawn shops .

I've talked to the guys in the shop that fix them (DL in ATL),they get boxes of them almost daily.
It looks like (i've seen them) most of them are broken from abuse,with the #1 problem being pulling on the cord instead of the plug.

And yes the headsets (and their parts) are expensive.

 

[Kev3188]

I seem to have the ear piece brackets come off the most often... In my little part of the world, I'll bet we send one in every 6 weeks or so?

 

[T5towbar]

I seem to have the ear piece brackets come off the most often... In my little part of the world, I'll bet we send one in every 6 weeks or so?

Hey Kev.
That video is in our web training catalog. It is an example of what not to do.
1. Why did they attach the the aircraft further that close in the clearance envelope? We never hook up that close. We always hook up in the alley and tow it in. Too many things can go wrong in the envelope.

2. In that case where the captain cannot see you, headset use is MANDATORY. If not available , wands (in that case DAY wands) must be used with proper signals.

3. Marshaller should not have left his position until the bypass pin and towbar are connected and the driver gave him the signal to tell the flight deck to release brakes.

What not to do when you are in the envelope. Thank God no one got hurt or killed.

 

[tech2101]

I've talked to the guys in the shop that fix them (DL in ATL),they get boxes of them almost daily.
It looks like (i've seen them) most of them are broken from abuse,with the #1 problem being pulling on the cord instead of the plug.

And yes the headsets (and their parts) are expensive.

We used to fix our own during down times. We ordered spare parts for them and/or cannibalized the old ones. If you can fix an airplane avionics system, I hope you can fix a headset. Geez...

Oops. I forgot that was when us technicians pushed back the aircraft.

 

[lineguy43]

We used to fix our own during down times. We ordered spare parts for them and/or cannibalized the old ones. If you can fix an airplane avionics system, I hope you can fix a headset. Geez...

Oops. I forgot that was when us technicians pushed back the aircraft.

Actually in MEM we had such long down time between banks of flights that management couldn't stand it and actually had us repairing those headsets as well as light assy's and we also did our own Oxygen servicing.

 

[Kev3188]

Hey Kev.
That video is in our web training catalog. It is an example of what not to do.
1. Why did they attach the the aircraft further that close in the clearance envelope? We never hook up that close. We always hook up in the alley and tow it in. Too many things can go wrong in the envelope.

2. In that case where the captain cannot see you, headset use is MANDATORY. If not available , wands (in that case DAY wands) must be used with proper signals.

3. Marshaller should not have left his position until the bypass pin and towbar are connected and the driver gave him the signal to tell the flight deck to release brakes.

What not to do when you are in the envelope. Thank God no one got hurt or killed.

Absolutely a prime example of what NOT to do. If nothing else, I'm glad it now serves as a cautionary tale for other carriers. As for where they hooked up, I have no idea. Maybe that's the norm, or maybe the A/C had already pulled in a ways waiting for the crew?

We used to fix our own during down times. We ordered spare parts for them and/or cannibalized the old ones. If you can fix an airplane avionics system, I hope you can fix a headset. Geez...

Oops. I forgot that was when us technicians pushed back the aircraft.

I concur. That said, I'd have no problem fixing ours- especially the parts I mentioned (brackets, etc). It'd save $$, and be more efficient. No go. At least we send them somewhere locally, so I guess that's something...

Actually in MEM we had such long down time between banks of flights that management couldn't stand it and actually had us repairing those headsets as well as light assy's and we also did our own Oxygen servicing.

We don't even have anyone qualified to ship DG anymore... Someone has to come up on a roadshow and do it. 🙁