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bunt3dunk

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I have worked airlines OCC for over 30 years and have never seen so much chaos as the last 2 weeks.US Air had our own way , but we were placed into a way using chaser FA"S that jumped from pairing to pairing,also crews are half east half west which makes it hard to reschedule them,We placed  a lot crews on deadheads and paid dearly for hotels.We are starting to see how an airline can lose 3 million dollars aday
The best story is the relocation of thesche duling from Pit to DFW .out of 178 schedulers 33 are movving to texas,.After the fiasco of tonight you aren;t gettingmuch support.It's time for Parker to pay out profit sharing
 
 
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UA went thru the exact same process. It is part of the merger process unless a very strong philosophy comes in and says "this is the way it will be done. period, full stop."

good luck.

AA/US have the highest number of cancellations today although B6 and UA both have higher percentages of their systems cxld.
 
So as we trash AA - let's see US has a huge operation in PHL and DCA with AA having a large operation in NYC and a smaller presence in BOS - where as DL just has a large operation in NYC with a smaller presence in BOS

Now how was US/AA suppose to avoid the winter storm that shut down roads/airports in all those cities
 
nobody is trashing AA.

It is a verifiable fact that AA has cxld more flights today in the NE than other carriers.

The storm was focused on NYC and BOS more than PHL or DCA and it appears even now that NYC, where other carriers are larger, isn't getting as much snow as was forecast.

and it is also absolutely accurate that there were repeated skirmishes between PMUA and PMCO people over operational philosophies and the differing operational ideals was a cause that was cited by UA execs as part of their operational challenges.

AA might work it out but operational issues have been the norm for airlines during the merger process.
 
the issue is the differences in operational philosophy which was noted in the OP.

given that AA and US are not the largest airlines in the originally most heavily targeted areas of the historic storm which isn't developing into one, you have to ask why AA/US cxld more flights than other carriers and why AA has cxld more flights tomorrow than other carriers even though there is a good chance that a lot of flights will be able to operate normally tomorrow.

perhaps the reasons for both are different or uncoordinated operations - as the OP noted.

again, UA went thru the same thing not that long ago - and AA benefitted because of UA's problems.
 
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By the way , what in the heck is a ground interrupt ? Stupid , it's a gate turn back !
 
jcw said:
So as we trash AA - let's see US has a huge operation in PHL and DCA with AA having a large operation in NYC and a smaller presence in BOS - where as DL just has a large operation in NYC with a smaller presence in BOS

Now how was US/AA suppose to avoid the winter storm that shut down roads/airports in all those cities
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FWIW, not to stick up for him or anything, but from a buddy up in PHL it didn't get bad. 
 
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Fear not JCW; next time there's a storm that disproportionately affects DL's network, you can make the same statement...
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nah Delta always wins. No statement will change this. 
 
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By the way , what in the heck is a ground interrupt ? Stupid , it's a gate turn back !
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You claim 30 years in the business and don't know what a ground interrupt is? With 25 years, I've never heard of a "gate turn back" but have heard of a gate return.

Not all flights depart from a gate. "Gate turn back" might have worked at Allegheny or USAir, but those companies are now gone.
 
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IThe majority of flights leave from a gate , what did we have an earthquake and the ground stopped the plane ? typical AA mentality , we are bigger so it is right.One question , how do you lose 10 billion in 10 years and you do everything right ? That's 3 mllion a day for 10 years !
 
NWS is already backing away from their Snowmageddon predictions from yesterday...

As for gate return / gate turn back / ground interrupt... there are terms used in the industry, and there are terms used by individual airlines. If you go into any SOC in the world, they're going to understand both ground interrupt and gate return.

If you say "gate turn back" they're going to probably look at you sideways.
 
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