Charlie_Tuna
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nice pleonasm
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nice pleonasm
Charlie_Tuna
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Kinda like when you did this?
And I just noticed you said this after you made the english remark.
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Nice try, why didn't you post the whole response?
Here let me do it for you:
Which was a reply to your post:
You make this too easy. Can you not stay on topic and why do you always try to make it about me?
Charlie_Tuna
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Make what to easy?
You bashed someone for using a oxymoron (a term that is taught in englsh class) in one post and then turn you around a bash someone for outting you on the wrong spelling and use of semantics. I guess the proper english use for that would be hypocrite. So I outted you on it.
As far as me posting a complete post I didn't need to. Your remark "In every merger where mechanics become IAM they have always used DOH and Dovetailing." All I did was point out your use of pleonasm (because according to you "DOH is dovetailing"). This after you bashing someones use of a oxymoron.
Got it now? Don't confuse the issues.
Taking this a little farther you could admit you were wrong that DOH isn't dovetailing. That DOH really means date of hire and dovetailing is a term used for integration of seniority lists by using DOH. I then I would retract my comment about pleonasm. But we all know you are never wrong. So that ain't going to happen.
So now you add this statement below to your post
Well well go back to other thread and we see you were the one to first stray away from topic at hand by bashing someone (me) for use of a oxymoron and you were the first "to make this about me"
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And I hate to do this... ok I like to...but my comment "I wonder what argument would surface when the IAM uses DOH to staple all the mechanics ro bottom of list." wasn't really a oxymoron. You see topic was about NWA and the comment was about NWA mechanics. So I was being sarcastic about how almost all the mechanics at NWA are scabs and/or new hires. So if there was a merger and DOH was used it would be in effect a staple to the bottom. Still dovetailing still stapled LOL.
Get it?
whodoiworkfor
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This delta merger will be big mistake. The so called "synergies" are going to come from the reduction of duplicate routes, which really did not happen when US and HP merger. When the duplicates are dumped guess what else gets dumped, YEAP EMPLOYEES!
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Dovetailing and staple are two totally differant things.
DOH is used when dovetailing, it is slotting everyone in where their DOH falls, staple is putting them all below the current workers.
Go ask the TWA folks what the TWU did to them at AA.
DOH is used when dovetailing, it is slotting everyone in where their DOH falls, staple is putting them all below the current workers.
Go ask the TWA folks what the TWU did to them at AA.
Charlie_Tuna
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Dang boy read and comprehend. reeaall ssslllooowww nnnoooww. I don't want to have to educate you no mo.
1. airline #1 all employees seniority 10 years plus
2. airline #2 all employees seniority 9 years or less
3. airline #1 and #2 merge companies
4. airline #1 and #2 merge seniority lists by DOH
5. airline #2's employees get dovetailed (and stapled)below all airline #1 employees
There you go even a first grader should get that.
Oh yes and was it TWU or arbitrator that screwed TWA employees?
Don't lets facts get in your way
TWU
or wait was it really the IAM'S fault TWA/TWU employees got the screw?
During the course of the bankruptcy proceedings, TWA and the IAM entered into an agreement for TWA-LLC to recognize the IAM and to continue the IAM collective bargaining agreement with certain revisions. The resulting agreement between TWA and the IAM is embodied in the Transition Agreement executed between these two parties, dated April 4, 2001. The Transition Agreement removed scope and successorship provisions that required application of the Allegheny-Mohawk seniority integration procedures in the event of a merger or acquisition.
By the way lets stay on topic
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Let me educate you one more time.
Dovetail and Staple are two totally differant and seperate ways of intergrating seniority.
Example Dovetail
US 1 employee date of hire 1/1/89
HP 2 employee date of hire 1/1/90
US 3 employee date of hire 1/2/90
Seniority would be:
1
2
3
Using Stapling it would be
1
3
2
Do you understand the difference?
You are totally confusing Dovetail and Staple.
Go read the Kasher arbitration and you will see what the TWU did to their fellow TWAers.
Dovetail and Staple are two totally differant and seperate ways of intergrating seniority.
Example Dovetail
US 1 employee date of hire 1/1/89
HP 2 employee date of hire 1/1/90
US 3 employee date of hire 1/2/90
Seniority would be:
1
2
3
Using Stapling it would be
1
3
2
Do you understand the difference?
You are totally confusing Dovetail and Staple.
Go read the Kasher arbitration and you will see what the TWU did to their fellow TWAers.
Charlie_Tuna
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LOL you can't admit your are wrong and in both cases and you just want to argue. Can't you read I already defined what DOH, dovetailing and stapling were and you just keep repeating what I already said. I NEVER said dovetailing and DOH were same thing. What you can't admit is that stapling and dovetailing can be the SAME result. That is if all the employees in a group at one airline are under the seniority of a group of employees of another airline then the dovetailing will result in the actual stapling of the lower seniority employees.
I don't believe what others say about you and that you are not worth arguing with because I love when you keep sticking your foot in mouth.
example using your example..class in session again..
Example Dovetail
US 1 employee date of hire 1/1/89
US 2 employee date of hire 1/1/90
HP 3 employee date of hire 1/2/90
HP 4 employee date of hire 1/3/90
Seniority would be:
1
2
3
4
Using Stapling it would be
1
2
3
4
RESULT THE SAME!!!!!!Dovetailed and/or stapled same result ta daaaaa,,,, and what is that result? what I been saying all along even with dovetailing one employee airline group could end up below another employee airline group. Thus in affect the same result as stapling them.
I provided the link for arbitration case already and a cut and pastefrom it. You need to read to see who screwed who. Don't let what the IAM did stand in your way
MMB
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And the unions that used to represent the dumped employees.
Charlie_Tuna
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Class dismissed off to remedial school with you 
Charlie_Tuna
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Yes he does lose out but he always opt out and go to management or Delta. But with airlines (and maybe anywhere) even if you (non-union) outperform fellow workers if you don't play your cards right you can end up on street for your reward. I have seen many good non-union workers lose out, while performing a great job, after they treated their worker bees as human beings.
The great problem with seniority based system is really allowing underperforming workers to shed their duties onto their fellow workers all the while making it virtually impossible to fire them as long as they play their cards right.
MMB
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Dovetailed would be
1 (Senior of both groups sets the curve)
3 (Senior of group 2)
2 (# 2 of group 1)
4 (#2 of group 2)
This is what happened in the Delta – Chicago and Southern merger.
I don't know this to be fact, but I was told that the reason was that the seniorities of the two companies was such that using DOH could have given the impression that Delta had stapled CSA.
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