No More Mainline To Cle
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I find this most distressing. When AA eliminated service from Cle-STL, the hoopla was something along the lines of "We've added additional mainline frequencies b/n Ord-Cle so our cle customers will have additional opportunites to connect through our ORD hub. As as it is now, I have trouble getting to ORD. Imagine what will happen when the mainline is eliminated. There is no service to JFK and the LGA service is practically non-existent on weekends. I won't even get into the seat restrictions. Trying to get to DFW on the 70 seat RJ is tough as well. Addin how MISERABLE the RJ experience is on any flight over about 60 min, and you can see what AA's options are out of CLE. I can't tell you how many times the CLE-ORD-CLE flight are "no service" due to "turbulence" that somehow, quite reliably, never seems to materialize. At least with the downgrade of the CLE-MIA flight, AA will now achieve one goal of their business plan.....Consistency. Unfortunately the words will now become "consistently miserable". Ataboy AA, force 'em to the competion. Continental must be LUVin' this.I Hate RJ's
So long Admirals Club....
coolflyingfool
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I am also shocked that AA cannot make CLE work for them. It would seem that AA should be able to fill a couple of MD80s in and out of CLE. AA is HUGE in ORD and they can't make ORD-CLE work? Something is wrong with this picture. Just my thoughts......
UA even used to fly 767s and the odd DC-10 on ORD-CLE. What happened? SW pulled fares down to $99 ea way when they started MDW-CLE, and RJs fragmented the heck out of the schedule. CO put RJs into both MDW and ORD. UA and AA both chose to downgauge and match (maybe increase slightly) schedule.coolflyingfool said:
Can't Eagle stations handle a couple mainline flights without having to use mainline staff?
If you want to be a cynic, you could suppose that AMR will convert CLE into an Eagle station and then bring back a mainline flight to MIA for the winter, with maybe a Chicago flight to back up the MIA aircraft.
If you want to be a cynic, you could suppose that AMR will convert CLE into an Eagle station and then bring back a mainline flight to MIA for the winter, with maybe a Chicago flight to back up the MIA aircraft.
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When Tom Del Valle came to my station to announce our station's closure, he vowed not to pull out all of the AA people, then turn around and bring back AA jets. He said something about only AA people working AA flights, but clearly this is not the case in many cities.
I'm an educated man, but I can't say that I really understood what the man was saying.
Didn't AA plan on sending a couple of S80's to BUF last summer, then changed their minds. If memory serves, this had something to do with the furloughed staff in BUF. Anyone remember or have any details?
I'm an educated man, but I can't say that I really understood what the man was saying.
Didn't AA plan on sending a couple of S80's to BUF last summer, then changed their minds. If memory serves, this had something to do with the furloughed staff in BUF. Anyone remember or have any details?
I do not think they plan on running the airline on your commuting schedule or what equipment you preffer. The aircraft I am sure is now doing routes that is more profitable on.
Seems as if the employees sometimes forget that the airline is in the business of making money for its shareholders. Correct aircraft on correct route. Just because a plane is full does not mean it makes money.
Alot of cities have weekend pull down (this has affected my commuting to) because it does not make financial sense to maintain the weekday schedule during the weekend.
Seems as if the employees sometimes forget that the airline is in the business of making money for its shareholders. Correct aircraft on correct route. Just because a plane is full does not mean it makes money.
Alot of cities have weekend pull down (this has affected my commuting to) because it does not make financial sense to maintain the weekday schedule during the weekend.
Now let me give you the real reason. When AA goes to all RJs, they close the station for AA personel and bring in the lower cost AE employees. Once out it is near impossible to get the station manned again by regular AA people. It takes 15 flights ( AA jets) a day to reman a station. What AA is doing is squeezing out its AA employees for less exspensive AE workers. After about 6 months you will see mainline jets return to ORD and DFW. All they want to do here is lower their cost in CLE. AA is not a people company. They are driven by profit only with no reguard for its loyal employees. They will disrupt families at the whim of a hat to make a profit.
I know all the stories about " who owns, and have to be profitable etc etc." What great airline leader said "take care of your employees and they'll care of your passangers"?
I'm in the trenches I see it everyday. I have 15+ years in the outside bus world and 20+ years at AA. I have over the years work closely with HDQ and also have a feel for thier concerns. I know both sides. Mgnt at AA doesn't have a clue they don't listen to the people who do the job.
Now I have to go to work and can't finnish this, well maybe later
I know all the stories about " who owns, and have to be profitable etc etc." What great airline leader said "take care of your employees and they'll care of your passangers"?
I'm in the trenches I see it everyday. I have 15+ years in the outside bus world and 20+ years at AA. I have over the years work closely with HDQ and also have a feel for thier concerns. I know both sides. Mgnt at AA doesn't have a clue they don't listen to the people who do the job.
Now I have to go to work and can't finnish this, well maybe later
will fix for food
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"Addin how MISERABLE the RJ experience is on any flight over about 60 min"endorfun said:
I Hate RJ's
So long Admirals Club....
What are the seat width and pitch comparisons between the CRJ, EMB, and the MD80 and 737. Does anyone have any figures?
"I Hate RJ's"
I agree. Bring back the Shorts and the ATRs. That was real flying!
Aye, but there's the rub. When RJs were only replacing props, they were definitely a step up. When they were adding a frequency or two, or a spoke or two to a hub, that was an improvement too.will fix for food said:
When planning has gone out of control and downgauged previously mainline flights in a (vain) attempt to force up yields, then you get complaints.
As for the long flying ... people in OKL who can now fly to NYC direct on a CO RJ probably prefer that to one-stopping in O'Hare or somewhere. It's the medium-hauls that have been downgauged that people hate (CLE-DFW).
coolflyingfool
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Is it in the contracts that there has to be 15+ AA mainline flights a day to have AA employees? That seems like a lot to me, but I am an outsider. I would think there would be a lot of AE employees replacing AA in the system. Just my thoughts.....
What kind of job action? Their job description is written out in the contract. Are you saying the GM can not get his employees to follow the contract? If not than I would report them myself.jetdryvr said:
I always said mgnt has so liitle idea of what's actually happening that "if you just follow their directives, it'll be so screwed up and they'll have no-one else but themselves to blame." Gee, do you think they would ever lower themselves to ask the people who do the job what they think. Naw they're too smart for that.
