New Jfk Domestic Service

[mweiss]

I'll give you AA hint... 😉

 

[LiveInAHotel]

I think the real reason why JB is delaying their LGA service is because they can't handle AA, UA and DL. Just look at their track record:

1. LGB-ATL (service stopped, DL killed them)

2. LGB-LAS (service stopped, AA, UA, NW, HP and SW killed them out of LAX) Southwest also killed them due to their service from BUR, ONT and SNA. America West also killed them from SNA.

They can't take the heat and David is running away with his tail between his legs!

I have also heard rumors that JB wants to start LGB-DFW. They will never be able to take on the DFW GiAAnt!

Nice attempt at revisionist history.

1 As has been stated, Airtran quickly entered the ATL-LAX market. Delta has had their buttox handed to them on this route. Look at the ticket prices.

2 Are you foolish enough to think the slots in LGb were obtained to fly LGB-LAS? Think about it. By the way these flights are full.

Which airline do you work for?

I can tell you who I don't work for...The David Neelman Stock falling airline! Face it, JB will not last in the long run. Yes you're doing OK for now, but down the road you're not expected to last. Have you ever heard of the term "expanding to quickly?" Also, JB has big payments coming for junk Airbus aircraft.

I thought you would be smart enought to figure out who I work for with my comment "The DFW GiAAnt."

 

[Cart Pusher]

I think the real reason why JB is delaying their LGA service is because they can't handle AA, UA and DL. Just look at their track record:

1. LGB-ATL (service stopped, DL killed them)

2. LGB-LAS (service stopped, AA, UA, NW, HP and SW killed them out of LAX) Southwest also killed them due to their service from BUR, ONT and SNA. America West also killed them from SNA.

They can't take the heat and David is running away with his tail between his legs!

I have also heard rumors that JB wants to start LGB-DFW. They will never be able to take on the DFW GiAAnt!

Nice attempt at revisionist history.

1 As has been stated, Airtran quickly entered the ATL-LAX market. Delta has had their buttox handed to them on this route. Look at the ticket prices.

2 Are you foolish enough to think the slots in LGb were obtained to fly LGB-LAS? Think about it. By the way these flights are full.

Which airline do you work for?

I can tell you who I don't work for...The David Neelman Stock falling airline! Face it, JB will not last in the long run. Yes you're doing OK for now, but down the road you're not expected to last. Have you ever heard of the term "expanding to quickly?" Also, JB has big payments coming for junk Airbus aircraft.

I thought you would be smart enought to figure out who I work for with my comment "The DFW GiAAnt."

Honestly, it's thinking like this that has gotten AA and others into the position they are now in. Jet Blue, AirTran, Southwest, America West, they're all here to stay. They are the new way of doing business in the airline world. AA is a fine airline but if everyone there thinks the same way you do then they are in a world of hurt.

 

[Dizel8]

"Have you ever heard of the term "expanding to quickly?"

Oh, you mean like when Uncle Crandall went into marketing and said: "Hey boys, got a ton of MD-80's coming, better figure out where to fly them.

"Also, JB has big payments coming for junk Airbus aircraft."

If you will not read the financial reports, you cannot be expected to know, so one word answer: No. The long answer, is that you are mistaken, the airplanes, both owned and leased, are being paid for in a normal manner, no ballon or deferred payments. Sorry.

As for the comments about expected to last, only time will tell!

 

[PHX Flyer]

I think the real reason, why JetBlue wanted to establish a presence at LGA is Song. And this is precisely, why they are now in no rush to move forward with their plans: It seems that JB does not need to put in any effort keeping Song at bay - the new Delta CEO is doing it already!

 

[runway4]

I think the real reason, why JetBlue wanted to establish a presence at LGA is Song. And this is precisely, why they are now in no rush to move forward with their plans: It seems that JB does not need to put in any effort keeping Song at bay - the new Delta CEO is doing it already!

There's money in them-there slots... I'm sure the pullback of Song doesn't diminish B6's desire to begin operating there... it could create a higher degree of urgency to gain a foothold and market share. The planes have been redeployed for now, but since this consists of extra JFK-ROC and -BUF trips that are seasonal, B6 should be in good shape to begin operating out of LGA late summer/early fall... just in time for the Florida rush. I wonder where they're looking for gates?

 

[FWAAA]

"Also, JB has big payments coming for junk Airbus aircraft."

If you will not read the financial reports, you cannot be expected to know, so one word answer: No. The long answer, is that you are mistaken, the airplanes, both owned and leased, are being paid for in a normal manner, no ballon or deferred payments. Sorry.

The airplanes themselves don't have any hidden balloon payments, but the maintenance issues loom large:

From the B6 prospectus:

Our maintenance costs will increase as our fleet ages.

Because the average age of our aircraft is approximately 20 months, our aircraft require less maintenance now than they will in the future. We also currently incur lower maintenance expenses because most of the parts on our aircraft are under multi-year warranties. Our maintenance costs will increase on an absolute basis, on a per seat mile basis and as a percentage of our operating expenses, as our fleet ages and these warranties expire. Although we cannot accurately predict how much our maintenance costs will increase in the future, we expect that they will increase significantly.

B6 Prospectus

The real question is whether B6 can keep fares ahead of its increasing expenses. I hope so, since I own B6 stock. B)

If B6 can't increase fares to pay its increased maintenance bills, then B6 will look like just one more good idea that was not executed properly. B)

 

[Dizel8]

Well, if the powers that be, are not smart enough to figure that one out, then they are less stellar than I give them credit for.

Needless to say, they are aware, pretty smart bunch. I did hear Mr.Owens talk about what the increase in casm would be, but at the moment I cannot recall the number.

SWA has both new and old a/c's, they seem quite capable of paying the mx cost and maintain low fares. I have faith, that jetBlue will accomplish this as well.

Finally, any publicly held company is required by law, to give some pretty stern warnings about investing. Want to make sure, that people do not equal past performance, with future earnings or losess.

 

[Blue Dude]

I wouldn't worry too much about maintenance costs destroying JetBlue's profitability. Even if costs tripled from 2003's costs, proportional to other costs - not likely anytime soon - they would still represent only half a cent in CASM. They could be five times the current proportion and still only add another .7 cents or so. It's just not that big a concern. Like Dizel said, they're smart; they'll figure it out.

 

[downline7]

I think the real reason why JB is delaying their LGA service is because they can't handle AA, UA and DL. Just look at their track record:

1. LGB-ATL (service stopped, DL killed them)

2. LGB-LAS (service stopped, AA, UA, NW, HP and SW killed them out of LAX) Southwest also killed them due to their service from BUR, ONT and SNA. America West also killed them from SNA.

They can't take the heat and David is running away with his tail between his legs!

I have also heard rumors that JB wants to start LGB-DFW. They will never be able to take on the DFW GiAAnt!

Nice attempt at revisionist history.

1 As has been stated, Airtran quickly entered the ATL-LAX market. Delta has had their buttox handed to them on this route. Look at the ticket prices.

2 Are you foolish enough to think the slots in LGb were obtained to fly LGB-LAS? Think about it. By the way these flights are full.

Which airline do you work for?

I can tell you who I don't work for...The David Neelman Stock falling airline! Face it, JB will not last in the long run. Yes you're doing OK for now, but down the road you're not expected to last. Have you ever heard of the term "expanding to quickly?" Also, JB has big payments coming for junk Airbus aircraft.

I thought you would be smart enought to figure out who I work for with my comment "The DFW GiAAnt."

Naysayers, naysayers.

Its exactly as CartPusher said, its your bad attitude and your mentality that encourages more and more people to turn to jetBlue, Southwest, AirTran, etc. As you take your pay cuts, as you continue to work in such an apparently negative environment, ill be more then happy to spend my days flying around the country working for a fantastic airline listening to our passengers talk about how badly theyre treated on AA, UA, US, DL and how much they appreciate the service and friendliness we provide.

If we were just another startup, just another airline waiting to go by the wayside, just another loser company who cant compete with the "majors", then why is it that these so called "majors" are so concerned with our every move .. why is there a Song? a Ted? Why is Delta spending so much money (which it cant even afford) to beef up its JFK operations and to start 8 new destinations from JFK (most of which are existing B6 cities)? Why did AA begin that whole 2 for 1 promotion for its NYC and BOS travellers?

If we're not expected to last ... then why bother? We dont need to know who you work for, it was assumed by the arrogance of your posts.