More cuts from LAS?

[az_wild727]

Apparently this is supposed to update itself on Monday in US's system. These changes are supposedly taking place in Jan 2010. All cuts from LAS.

Dropped non-stops from LAS:

-BWI (WN hub the reason)
-JFK
-PDX (WN and AS too much competition?)
-YYC (Mainline on this is too big, isn't this city that is same flight #, one stop from SNA-LAS-YYC? We were discussing this on here a few days ago...)
-YEG (Mainline on this is too big)


What a shame! The Canada routes sort of make sense, but JFK? I thought the plan was to keep major cities. JFK cut is sad, unless, they get their approval for LGA-PHX/LAS. Lots of cities would be feeding that thing. I guess time will tell.


-Kinglobjaw

 

[SpinDoc]

King:

Welcome to the new reality that is US Airways (er, I mean America West in US Airways clothing)

It's beginning to look a lot like HP hates LAS as much as it does PIT. Oh, never mind, they could not hate any airport as much as they hate PIT. I think HP has firmly put their eggs into the PHX basket for West Coast connections, although that is subject to change based on how fast WN runs them out of AZ altogether.

Funny thing is, LAS has always been a decent reliever hub for PHX, moving traffic East to West and vice versa, that they did not have room for in PHX. PIT used to be a very good reliever hub for congested PHL too, but you see what these morons have done in PIT, so I would not be surprised to see LAS shrunk even further than it is now.

We're dealing with amateurs in PHX who cut and run faster than Steven Wolf. Good luck to all of you in LAS. You probably have better odds of winning in a casino than you do of keeping your job in LAS.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The question becomes when does LAS enter the death spiral ala PIT. Cut some unprofitable routes. Lose that feed to other routes, some of which become unprofitable. So cut some more routes, lose some more feed. Lather, rinse, repeat. At some point is becomes a vicious cycle.

Jim

 

[SpinDoc]

Jim:

The ABS baggage belt system in PIT costs roughly $7 million annually to operate, and HP is on the hook to pay that amount until 2018, whether they have operations in PIT, or not.
Add to that the inability of Allegheny County to attract new business at PIT to help reduce the outrageous landing and gate lease fees, and it becomes very clear that US Airways will be pulling completely out of PIT within the next 18 months.

Not sure if LAS has the same restrictive fees, so they can probably count on some eventual plateau of service levels and the station will probably stay open.

 

[trvlr64]

Jim:

The ABS baggage belt system in PIT costs roughly $7 million annually to operate, and HP is on the hook to pay that amount until 2018, whether they have operations in PIT, or not.
Add to that the inability of Allegheny County to attract new business at PIT to help reduce the outrageous landing and gate lease fees, and it becomes very clear that US Airways will be pulling completely out of PIT within the next 18 months.

Not sure if LAS has the same restrictive fees, so they can probably count on some eventual plateau of service levels and the station will probably stay open.

OK this doesn't make sense to me. If US has to keep paying until 2018 for the baggage system why not USE the airport that was built for them to generate revenue? Add some flights again and gain back those customers you lost.

That's like paying for a prostitute and only TALK for an hour.

 

[Travelpro72]

As for PIT the more they pull out it seems the higher the fees. Though the airport just announced another lowering of the fees they are still high. Now as for LAS it was said how much traffic they had compared to PIT. Well as of now LAS is virtually dead as far as vacationers. Not many are hitting the slots in this environment. If US couldn't justify PIT as a reliever for PHL how would they justify LAS as a reliever for PHX? I don't want to see anybody lose a job or see anymore cuts to the system but seriously. Against WN in LAS is US even relevant?

 

[Pacemaker]

Against WN where is US relevant? A 20-year history of retreating with the lone significant exception being PHL.

I agree LAS is headed down the same road as PIT. Once you lose a certain critical mass the end seems inevitable.

 

[PHL]

But in the good times, LAS is/was a good operation. What happens when the economy picks up again? LAS will get its tourists, meetings, conventions, etc. PIT has few of any of those things.

 

[Pacemaker]

But in the good times, LAS is/was a good operation. What happens when the economy picks up again? LAS will get its tourists, meetings, conventions, etc. PIT has few of any of those things.

WN will add flights accordingly.

 

[LGA / 037]

Jim:

The ABS baggage belt system in PIT costs roughly $7 million annually to operate, and HP is on the hook to pay that amount until 2018, whether they have operations in PIT, or not.
Add to that the inability of Allegheny County to attract new business at PIT to help reduce the outrageous landing and gate lease fees, and it becomes very clear that US Airways will be pulling completely out of PIT within the next 18 months.

Spin, this was not renegoitiated or wiped out completely during BKI or II?

 

[Travelpro72]

But in the good times, LAS is/was a good operation. What happens when the economy picks up again? LAS will get its tourists, meetings, conventions, etc. PIT has few of any of those things.

WN will add flights. Also other airlines you'll notice fly bigger equipment (that us doesn't have) in and out of vegas while US runs a "hub" cough, cough and can't fill a 737. Look at other cities with tourists, meetings and conventions. Does US dominate those cities? Hell no. This "New" US is all about running and hiding from the competition and being a follower. Well I guess some things never change.

 

[smoot4208]

Here are the specific dates the service ends

LAS-JFK ends May 9
LAS-BWI ends July 8
LAS-PDX ends July 8
LAS-YYC ends July 1
LAS-YEG ends May 9
LAS-CMH ends March 2
LAS-TPA ends March 2

 

[NevadaHP]

to all of you out their this company being former HP has always run from WN. they will never put up a fight, thats what will lead to our demise, they dont fight. We cut frequency, southwest ads and they run cheaper fares go figure. now they pay higher in labor and fuel and we still cant compete go figure.

 

[BoeingBoy]

As for PIT the more they pull out it seems the higher the fees.

That's because the price of operating at an airport is usually expressed as cost per enplaned passenger - take all the fees/charges all airlines operating there pay and divide by the number of passengers enplaned by all aiirlines.

The cost per enplaned passenger figure is misleading because it is an average. What a specific airline actually pays depends of what facilities/space it leases plus the total landing fees paid. If one is interested in a specific airline's cost per enplaned passenger, just take the total that airline pays and divide by the number of enplaned passengers for that airline.

Jim

 

[tadjr]

Here are the specific dates the service ends

LAS-TPA ends March 2

This service ended already unless they are adding something back and cutting again. We dropped our 1 Nonstop to Las the week after the Superbowl.