Management...PLEASE Return our 5%.....

[Seatacus]

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On 4/17/2003 325 PM PITbull wrote:



The 5% deferral was not to be some kind of loan for this management.
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Pitbull
I agree, but management has a way with contracts where they can interpret them to their benefit. I believe that our contracts state that the deferral gets paid back if we show a profit. But you know there are hundreds of ways to hide profits so I don''t expect to see any profits until the company feels like paying the money back. I don''t see them being to anxious to do this. We can speak up and hopefully someone will care but I am not holding my breath

 

[pitguy]

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On 4/17/2003 9:05:58 AM firstamendment wrote:

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On 4/15/2003 8:31:59 PM pitguy wrote:

I wonder if some enjoy watching others starve.

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Would you people stop being sooooo dramatic. I agree that as things settle down in Iraq and the economy turns, it would be great to get that 5% back, however please...enough with the poor starving suffering employee crap. If I can live in Manhattan on a flight attendant salary, one can make it in the ''burgh. It''s called a budget and living within your means.

Unfortunately, this way of dealing with finances has been passed down from management...save as little as possible and spend as much as possible. The problem is management can squeeze the money out of us, but we haven''t got that luxury.

All the "starvation " crap is no better than the way management overexaggerates and manipulates to get what they want.

So please, I do feel your pain...all 13.6% of it...but enough of the self pity.

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firstamendment,

If you live in Manhattan on a flight attendants salary and have no complaints then I have to think you do not have a family with children or you have a spouse that makes decent money or then again maybe share some kind of apartment with others. Maybe you even have family money. So it may not be fair to compare your situation with a working head of household person who does live on a budget and spends their money well and chose not to have both parents work, but to invest into the parenting our children. It is lousy and unfair what happens to Licensed Mechanics here. They went to school and earned their license, invested thousands in tools, moved to several different locations getting aircraft experience to work for this major and then to just make the same or little more than allot of other employees who just showed up here with a high school diploma and no skills. Then are trained for a few days/weeks and make the same or slightly less is wrong. It may be hard for some to admit, but it is WRONG.

 

[767jetz]

I''d say you guys/gals are getting the shaft again. Is there any sign that management will start paying you the 5% again?

Over here at your code share partner, we had a clause in our newly ratified concession package similar to yours. It was announced today that due to the war winding down and the some other good economic news, (ie. lower fuel prices and some overdue relief from the gov''t) they would not be implementing the "war cuts."

 

[harleyrider]

Gee, wouldn''t it be nice for management say that they don''t need the 5% and not deduct it from our shrinking paychecks but that would take a HUMAN and MORAL gesture on the side of the " band of thieves " . I don''t think that they are capable of that or any other KIND act....they have kicked us around enought, so keep an eye on your animals, they maybe next!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[767jetz]

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On 4/18/2003 1:06:59 PM PITbull wrote:

Thanks 767, for responding and letting us know this. So, as financially stricken as United is, they sought NOT to take more from their employees....U management still has not responded to the request to not commence with this 5% from their employees.

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That is correct. I don''t know if it makes any difference, but maybe since you are no longer in CH11 you might have a bit more leverage now. Everyone knows the "war" is over. Since no one else is following suit, it would be hard for your management to call the extra 5% legitimate.

 

[N786P]

Pay cuts are pretty much like tax increases....once they get it it''s hell to get it returned.

 

[PITbull]

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On 4/17/2003 918 PM 767jetz wrote:

I''d say you guys/gals are getting the shaft again. Is there any sign that management will start paying you the 5% again?

Over here at your code share partner, we had a clause in our newly ratified concession package similar to yours. It was announced today that due to the war winding down and the some other good economic news, (ie. lower fuel prices and some overdue relief from the gov''t) they would not be implementing the "war cuts."

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Thanks 767, for responding and letting us know this. So, as financially stricken as United is, they sought NOT to take more from their employees....U management still has not responded to the request to not commence with this 5% from their employees.

 

[firstamendment]

Slam....lucky to be in a stabilized apt...under 1000...very thankful, yes in deed, but my point was that we all have to budget accordingly. I am lucky because I don''t own a car or pay for insurance. I probably come out about the same as folks living in PIT or CLT when you take in account car payments and insurance. Food can be pricey but that''s why you buy fruit and veggies from the vendors and go to the farmer''s market.


Pitbull, there was no dispute from me whether or not we should get the 5% back,,just tired of the overexaggerated starving statement.

 

[firstamendment]

Pitguy

I am very empathetic to all employees of U. These cuts suck for everyone. My point is that YOU WILL NOT STARVE!! YOU KNOW THAT! We all all must be resourceful. Just because you have a family doesn''t make your plight any more critical. You assume I am some swinging single in NYC without knowing anything about me but to say people are starving? That''s one''s choice. You are still working and no matter how harsh I sound, A father will do anything to feed the family and provide. I am sure you are a wonderful dad and will do the same. So I DO hope the best for all but let''s be realistic.

 

[pitguy]

firstamendment,

Maybe you should redo your budget paying for four mouths to feed, having an auto or two and insurance for them, paying real estate taxes ($4,500 yr), not being "lucky" enough to have your housing costs "stabilized" and try shopping at the fruit market while taking your 'children' to different functions that are required of a 'parent'. Not every one is single and just taking care of themselves. While I am not starving I do use a budget and spend my families money well it is still very, very tight and yes food has been taken off my families table. At least now the company knows if more cuts need to be made there is room to move on your compensation. Best of luck.

p.s.- I do not expect you to understand this, but it is different when you are taking care of your family.

 

[A320 Driver]

The argument as to whether or not we all can afford another 5% is irrelevant. The "spirit" of that section in the agreement was to give the company relief in case the war hurt us financially. With the war practically over and fuel prices dropping, I doubt the company has any moral ground on which to stand regarding the pay cut. Don''t hold your breath however should you think the company (Dave) is going to give it back any time soon. My guess is they will milk this cow dry before they even consider stopping much less repaying the pay cut. U was still losing 2 mil a day last time I looked so this becomes another way to squeeze the employees to help the bottom line.
Also, word has it that the dispute on lease agreements with Bank One on the A319/A320s may have us parking another covey of those birds... and the resulting cutbacks.

And we thought our troubles were over when we came out of bankruptcy!!!

A320 Driver

 

[firstamendment]

Pitguy,
I understand and I hope the best for you. I do know it is difficult raising a family. I was in one myself...one that was poor and did struggle. It''s amazing how I never KNEW we were poor until later in life.

I guess that''s why I chose to not have the family thing as part of my life. Good luck.

 

[pitguy]

Thank you. I appreciate what you have said. All one can do is run their life prudently and hope for the best. It just stinks seeing so many struggling to get by and see a few at the top of the pile come and go and when they are here they just rape, plunder and pillage.


---Just because it is legal does not make in morally right.

 

[PITbull]

Can everyone at U please write to mangement and tell them to not take the 5% this month, and to return it to the employees ASAP?

It is disingenuous for mangement to take this WHEN THE WAR IS OVER AND WAS NOT SUSTAINING.

 

[stewbear]

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On 4/18/2003 9:30:26 PM firstamendment wrote:

Slam....lucky to be in a stabilized apt...under 1000...very thankful, yes in deed, but my point was that we all have to budget accordingly. I am lucky because I don''t own a car or pay for insurance. I probably come out about the same as folks living in PIT or CLT when you take in account car payments and insurance. Food can be pricey but that''s why you buy fruit and veggies from the vendors and go to the farmer''s market.


Pitbull, there was no dispute from me whether or not we should get the 5% back,,just tired of the overexaggerated starving statement.

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Car Insurance 1000.00-up per year Carpayments 1 car avg 400/00 per month add 150.00/month fuel(conservative)= 7600.00/year Minimal amount of public transportation available PIT/CLT. You can buy alot of veggies for that. You are waaaay ahead of the rest of us.