JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Deleted member 14439]

12-16-16 negotiations update. MERRY CHRISTMAS!http://www.twu.org/blog/tabid/84/vw/1/itemid/923/default.aspx

 

[Real tired]

That's a good question for real tired, at LUS, for example if they do a RIF at PIT, can an aircraft mech bump into auto shop to stay in PIT?

To answer both of you, yes, it does carry the same strength in a RIF, and yes, you can bump Auto Shop to stay in your station.

Example:
-- Abolish 2 in Plant Maintenance.

First, knowing your seniority number, you would search the other departments in your station for
someone junior to you, ie. someone with a higher seniority number.

For example, say you had 6 junior in overhaul (3 on midnight and 3 on afternoon) and 2 junior on the line (1 on midnight and 1 on afternoon). You would decide your area and then bump the junior man in that department, either line or overhaul, most likely midnight shift. You would then work midnight's until the next realignment and then use your seniority to realign to afternoon's in that area, if it was your desire.

If there was no one junior in any department other than auto shop, which is most likely the case, then you could bump the junior person in auto shop to prevent having to bump out of station.

If there's no one junior to you in your station, in any department, let the commuting begin.

But since you can't bump a vacancy, if you knew about the RIF ahead of time, you could bid anywhere there was a bid that your seniority could take you, including Premium positions. Plus you might also try to downgrade bid into a position you have seniority in, such as Utility or Stock Clerk to prevent leaving the station.

 

[1AA]

12-16-16 negotiations update. MERRY CHRISTMAS!http://www.twu.org/blog/tabid/84/vw/1/itemid/923/default.aspx

Funny I was thinking the same. Another worthless update. Why did they even make an effort?
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MY FELLOW AAer's. I hope most of us will be home with our loved ones.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

To answer both of you, yes, it does carry the same strength in a RIF, and yes, you can bump Auto Shop to stay in your station.

That is one thing I never liked about the TWU culture. Members speak of brotherhood and fighting as one but when it comes to layoff time senior people see junior people as nothing more than sacrificial lambs.

I can see how in some ways seniority is a good thing (such as guarding against age, race and sex discrimination). On the other hand it is disgraceful to see lazy, worthless employees keep their job only by the "merits" of their seniority date while hard working junior people hit the street.

We all know it's true.

 

[Living in Reality]

To answer both of you, yes, it does carry the same strength in a RIF, and yes, you can bump Auto Shop to stay in your station.

Example:
-- Abolish 2 in Plant Maintenance.

First, knowing your seniority number, you would search the other departments in your station for
someone junior to you, ie. someone with a higher seniority number.

For example, say you had 6 junior in overhaul (3 on midnight and 3 on afternoon) and 2 junior on the line (1 on midnight and 1 on afternoon). You would decide your area and then bump the junior man in that department, either line or overhaul, most likely midnight shift. You would then work midnight's until the next realignment and then use your seniority to realign to afternoon's in that area, if it was your desire.

If there was no one junior in any department other than auto shop, which is most likely the case, then you could bump the junior person in auto shop to prevent having to bump out of station.

If there's no one junior to you in your station, in any department, let the commuting begin.

But since you can't bump a vacancy, if you knew about the RIF ahead of time, you could bid anywhere there was a bid that your seniority could take you, including Premium positions. Plus you might also try to downgrade bid into a position you have seniority in, such as Utility or Stock Clerk to prevent leaving the station.

You also have to remember, you have to show you have experience in the area you want to bump into, you cannot go into automotive just cause you know how to work on cars, don't you still have to get thru probation in the new area? Now if you went from automotive to aircraft then back to auto so you could stay on payroll, that is not a problem, right?

 

[DallasConehead]

That is one thing I never liked about the TWU culture. Members speak of brotherhood and fighting as one but when it comes to layoff time senior people see junior people as nothing more than sacrificial lambs.

I can see how in some ways seniority is a good thing (such as guarding against age, race and sex discrimination). On the other hand it is disgraceful to see lazy, worthless employees keep their job only by the "merits" of their seniority date while hard working junior people hit the street.

We all know it's true.

Discrimination in the Workplace. ... The following federal laws prohibiting workplace discrimination are among the most important: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VII prohibits discrimination because of race, color, religion, sex, and national original.

 

[swamt]

Sorry for the intrusion. Here's an update from the AMFA/SWA negotiations. Just wanted to keep all in the industry informed. Please post all comments in the SWA threads, thx...


Mechanics union files federal lawsuit over Southwest Airlines' 'take it or leave it' negotiating tactics

 

[Rogallo]

Sorry for the intrusion. Here's an update from the AMFA/SWA negotiations. Just wanted to keep all in the industry informed. Please post all comments in the SWA threads, thx...


Mechanics union files federal lawsuit over Southwest Airlines' 'take it or leave it' negotiating tactics

Are any individual union members doing anything to show their personal displeasure?

Just curious if AMFA members at LUV have any balls? Unlike their peers at another AAirline!!

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Discrimination in the Workplace. ... The following federal laws prohibiting workplace discrimination are among the most important: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VII prohibits discrimination because of race, color, religion, sex, and national original.

Who cares?

It still happens, and not always to woman and minorities. It happens to white males as well.

We have laws against illegals to. Laws are only worth the effort you put into enforcing them.

 

[Real tired]

You also have to remember, you have to show you have experience in the area you want to bump into, you cannot go into automotive just cause you know how to work on cars, don't you still have to get thru probation in the new area? Now if you went from automotive to aircraft then back to auto so you could stay on payroll, that is not a problem, right?

We don't have to take a test like you guys do when we bid or bump from department to department. They only 2 departments you have to take a test to bid or bump into are the Weld shop and Machine shop. That's per the contract.

Once you make your 90 day probation period when you sign on as a Mechanic, by either being hired as a Mechanic or upgrading from another department, you don't have to do it again. If you were to bid a Lead position, it requires a 12 month stability period. Although if you were to bid the premium positions of Maintenance Planning or MOC, there is a 90 day probation. And with MOC, I'm not sure how that works anymore since those guys are now in DFW and with the TWU.

There's no issue with going from Auto shop maintenance back to aircraft maintenance. People do it all the time. You lose your license pay in auto, plus, if you are gone too long (can't remember the time period) from aircraft maintenance, you have to go to a couple weeks of indoc school, such as Line indoc, or Overhaul indoc and so forth.

 

[bigjets]

To answer both of you, yes, it does carry the same strength in a RIF, and yes, you can bump Auto Shop to stay in your station.

Example:
-- Abolish 2 in Plant Maintenance.

First, knowing your seniority number, you would search the other departments in your station for
someone junior to you, ie. someone with a higher seniority number.

For example, say you had 6 junior in overhaul (3 on midnight and 3 on afternoon) and 2 junior on the line (1 on midnight and 1 on afternoon). You would decide your area and then bump the junior man in that department, either line or overhaul, most likely midnight shift. You would then work midnight's until the next realignment and then use your seniority to realign to afternoon's in that area, if it was your desire.

If there was no one junior in any department other than auto shop, which is most likely the case, then you could bump the junior person in auto shop to prevent having to bump out of station.

If there's no one junior to you in your station, in any department, let the commuting begin.

But since you can't bump a vacancy, if you knew about the RIF ahead of time, you could bid anywhere there was a bid that your seniority could take you, including Premium positions. Plus you might also try to downgrade bid into a position you have seniority in, such as Utility or Stock Clerk to prevent leaving the station.

How often do you do a realignment, and does it happen on a regular basis?

 

[1AA]

We don't have to take a test like you guys do when we bid or bump from department to department. They only 2 departments you have to take a test to bid or bump into are the Weld shop and Machine shop. That's per the contract.

Once you make your 90 day probation period when you sign on as a Mechanic, by either being hired as a Mechanic or upgrading from another department, you don't have to do it again. If you were to bid a Lead position, it requires a 12 month stability period. Although if you were to bid the premium positions of Maintenance Planning or MOC, there is a 90 day probation. And with MOC, I'm not sure how that works anymore since those guys are now in DFW and with the TWU.

There's no issue with going from Auto shop maintenance back to aircraft maintenance. People do it all the time. You lose your license pay in auto, plus, if you are gone too long (can't remember the time period) from aircraft maintenance, you have to go to a couple weeks of indoc school, such as Line indoc, or Overhaul indoc and so forth.

There is also an FAR about staying current. Can't remember the FAR right now.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

There is also an FAR about staying current. Can't remember the FAR right now.

FAR 65.83

 

[DallasConehead]

Intresting.. so how do certificated aircraft mechanics under the iam agreement that bump into auto or facilities maint for longer then 2 years keep from running afoul of 65.83?

Has the faa bought off on the "indoc school"?

 

[Real tired]

How often do you do a realignment, and does it happen on a regular basis?

Realign every 4 months without fail. There are other times it legal to do so also. Don't have the contract to look it up, though. You have your realignment preference paper work on file with the company and the union.

It is a pain. I hate it. Sometimes you loose your days off or shift. Sometimes you move up. But many more times you just stay where you are. But it does give you a great opportunity every 4 months to change your shift or days off within your department if you need to for personal reasons, like hunting season, take the kids to school, health reasons and so forth. That is if you have the seniority to get what you want when the realignment time comes, and your paperwork is correct.