JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Living in Reality]

In Tulsa we still have the same management as before so they love not letting us have any flexibility. Where I work they "Allow" you to take vacation an hour at a time to be able to make Dr appointments. No changing start/stop times at all. They consider this flexibility. Until the new CEO sends these people packing it won't change. A line style CS policy won't work in Tulsa. No way they would allow double shifts because they really enjoy limiting your time off. My manager has told us that we will go by the IAM CS policy in their contract. I asked him if he realized we were TWU and he said yes. So I asked if I could pick one thing from the IAM contract since he picked one and of course he said no. These guys go out of their way to figure out new policies to make us miserable.

I have been saying this all along also, A CS policy at DFW will not work at LAX and so on, a CS policy at DFW will not work at TUL. I told my local Pres that we need to have "mini agreements" for each facility, not one that covers all facilities! Tell that to your Pres also when they go back to the table!

 

[bigjets]

I agree, to have; for example' a 5 year seniority AMT with one year as a CC - outbid a 30 year AMT who decides later in his career to take a lead position is just wrong. As it stands right now, if the arbitrator rules in favor of the LUS method, it would give an unfair advantage to the LUS AMTs - as they had the knowledge from the start - to start accruing lead time ASAP - for this very reason.

I like the AA system much better, it's better to have a 30 year mech become cc, rather then a 1 year mech be a CC for 30 years.

Of course I think the supv should hand out jobs and have the CC act more like a lead mech, using his knowledge to get the big jobs done rather then the CC read the paper hand you a piece of paper and say here, any problems find a tech cc. Plus I don't think CC should be on mechs OT list, they're taking OT from a mech so they can get the CCC.

 

[bigjets]

I have been saying this all along also, A CS policy at DFW will not work at LAX and so on, a CS policy at DFW will not work at TUL. I told my local Pres that we need to have "mini agreements" for each facility, not one that covers all facilities! Tell that to your Pres also when they go back to the table!

A common CS policy is good for all. That way when you go to another station you know what the policy is. We want it in the contract rather then a local agreement that can be adjusted by management at any time.

 

[Duke787]

Contract rumor,,,,

Heard that avionics scope of work at the line stations is going to shrink. They will not be working the terminal in great numbers any longer, as their main job will be working problems with deep histories where the wires have to be chased.

Acars, A/P, etc that can be fixed with basic troubleshooting and easy repairs (replace a box) will now be done by general mechs. I for one am looking forward to it, and I haven't heard one complaint from a non avionics guy. Sometimes I think the avionics guys have an over inflated opinion of their value, not all, but some.

This would be great!!!!

This would make us more rounded mechanics. No longer would we have the fight of, that's not us that's you. We all just went through that EWIS class, time to put that knowledge to use. Class 2 stations do everything, certainly a class 1 station can do it.

A general mech can troubleshoot a 777 nav problem, just as easy as an avi mech can put oil in a 737 engine. The planes are so much easier to troubleshoot then before.

 

[1AA]

I like the AA system much better, it's better to have a 30 year mech become cc, rather then a 1 year mech be a CC for 30 years.

Of course I think the supv should hand out jobs and have the CC act more like a lead mech, using his knowledge to get the big jobs done rather then the CC read the paper hand you a piece of paper and say here, any problems find a tech cc. Plus I don't think CC should be on mechs OT list, they're taking OT from a mech so they can get the CCC.

Management hand out job assignments?
Crew chiefs go out and work along side AMT'S?
Crew Chiefs on a separate OT list?
Wow, you should get a job in management. Have you ever worked at a busy line station? No further comment.

 

[1AA]

This would be great!!!!

This would make us more rounded mechanics. No longer would we have the fight of, that's not us that's you. We all just went through that EWIS class, time to put that knowledge to use. Class 2 stations do everything, certainly a class 1 station can do it.

A general mech can troubleshoot a 777 nav problem, just as easy as an avi mech can put oil in a 737 engine. The planes are so much easier to troubleshoot then before.

In a perfect world maybe. Too many fleet types and manufactures. Different logic and systems from fleet to fleet. Any idea what the A350 will bring to the table?

 

[dfw gen]

So another update with little to no response from the company.
Arrivals and departures are looking a lot better and no substantial movement.
Hmm

 

[Show me the money]

Does any know when the arbitrator is going to drop his bomb? Both unions will then blame the arbitrator and get themselves off the hook. If and I say if we get a contract in 2017 with more holidays, will the company make us wait until 2018 to take them? They took them right away will they give back as fast. Will the union ask for the United buyout 5,000.00 a year max of 20 years? Not looking for any real negotiations to happen until late January or February. I hope everyone and their families has a safe and warm Merry Christmas

 

[Topcat187]

This would be great!!!!

This would make us more rounded mechanics. No longer would we have the fight of, that's not us that's you. We all just went through that EWIS class, time to put that knowledge to use. Class 2 stations do everything, certainly a class 1 station can do it.

A general mech can troubleshoot a 777 nav problem, just as easy as an avi mech can put oil in a 737 engine. The planes are so much easier to troubleshoot then before.

Have fun with changing "boxes", there is a lot more to it than that.

Get familiar with the ASAP program.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I like the AA system much better, it's better to have a 30 year mech become cc, rather then a 1 year mech be a CC for 30 years.

Of course I think the supv should hand out jobs and have the CC act more like a lead mech, using his knowledge to get the big jobs done rather then the CC read the paper hand you a piece of paper and say here, any problems find a tech cc. Plus I don't think CC should be on mechs OT list, they're taking OT from a mech so they can get the CCC.

As a common courtesy the CC should be offered the OT if his crew is being offered. He should not be put in a position to where he has to take OT from a mechanic if he wants OT. Back in the old days we used to refuse OT if our CC wasn't offered. I disagree that Supv should hand out jobs too. They would screw the guys they don't like with the less attractive jobs.

 

[Vortilon]

Have fun with changing "boxes", there is a lot more to it than that.

Get familiar with the ASAP program.

I agree, having worked at a class II station, and a class 1 - as avionics and general. You will never be proficient with all the fleet types working both avionics and general AMT skills - especially at a class 1 station. With a dedicated Avionics group, these guys see the same type problems daily, and talk to each other - share info. There is a tribal knowledge that gets passed on. Add to that, we are still getting used to the Airbuses, and then here comes the 787 - now 2 versions. As somebody pointed out in an earlier post - the A 350 will be showing up. That is over 10 fleet types if you include the different versions of the 777 and 787. Possibly another version of the 737 as well.

It would be great if everybody could be good at everything on just one fleet like SWA. Not a good idea to expect our guys to be proficient as an Avionics guy and a General AMT.

 

[Buck]

This would be great!!!!

This would make us more rounded mechanics. No longer would we have the fight of, that's not us that's you. We all just went through that EWIS class, time to put that knowledge to use. Class 2 stations do everything, certainly a class 1 station can do it.

A general mech can troubleshoot a 777 nav problem, just as easy as an avi mech can put oil in a 737 engine. The planes are so much easier to troubleshoot then before.

There are a lot of well-rounded mechanics, just around the belt line...

 

[ASSociation Clown]

I have been saying this all along also, A CS policy at DFW will not work at LAX and so on, a CS policy at DFW will not work at TUL. I told my local Pres that we need to have "mini agreements" for each facility, not one that covers all facilities! Tell that to your Pres also when they go back to the table!

Your local president is my local president, and the message to him here is one CS policy and no more deals in different locations so that the company can use it against us. One set of rules keeps everyone honest, but that is not what you want. Hmmm
Sounds like Living in Reality is more like Living in Scam World. Of course LAX is the land of the scam!

 

[bigjets]

As a common courtesy the CC should be offered the OT if his crew is being offered. He should not be put in a position to where he has to take OT from a mechanic if he wants OT. Back in the old days we used to refuse OT if our CC wasn't offered. I disagree that Supv should hand out jobs too. They would screw the guys they don't like with the less attractive jobs.

Had to delete post, I gave too much info about BAD CCs, I didn't want to paint a broad brush over all CCs.

I will say a few bad CCs DO screw over people they don't like, also some CC will screw over guys on CS or OT. I also think the supervisors we have, don't have the experience to assign work load.

 

[Real tired]

Management hand out job assignments?
Crew chiefs go out and work along side AMT'S?
Crew Chiefs on a separate OT list?
Wow, you should get a job in management. Have you ever worked at a busy line station? No further comment.

Trying to read along and learn, so I don't understand this post. ^^^^

So do mean that none of these thing happen as per your contract? Or was it just sarcasm?

Your CC's don't help? Your management can't assign? And a CC is on the same Overtime List as the Mechanic he or she assigns?

Also from some previous posts, is it true that your (AA) shift swap policy differs from station to station? And also in the same station, that policy might differ between, say, overhaul and line?