"It's just not the right way to pay 100,000 employees that don't have that much impact on the daily

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I hope when they move the HQ to NYC and sit around the wood paneled room with brandy and cigars they remember the people who got them there...by 16 votes. DP should do the right thing.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

A union that let's this kind of statement go unchallenged is hardly a union.
 
This kind of gaffe ala Delta DUI should be exploited.
 
DP is not your friend so don't go to thier weddings!!!!
 
"It's just not the right way to pay 100,000 employees that do't have that much impact on the daily profits" DP
 
Where is the union in positioning themselves on this statement?
 
Does LG get lifetime benefits no matter the outcome of a vote?
 
If she does that is wrong.
 
It's not just wrong it's collusion.
 
Then it should be criminal.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

LG has no stake in this vote having received lifetime benefits from the company.
 
DP has taken a page out of the LUS 2nd bankruptcy when Jerry Glass made a back door deal with the union president TX.
 
This leadership does not care and will be gone.
 
This leadership needs to be stripped of all benefits for not standing up to this management
 
Now is the time to raise bloody murder with this manegement but not a peep.
 
You will not get lifetime benefits.
 
AAmateurs.

 

[ChockJockey]

 

[eolesen]

More misinformation... The only way I know of for anyone to get lifetime A5 is to retire while holding that pass level.

It's been that way for over 30 years. When John Ward went back to flying the line, I don't believe he kept his A5.

Maybe it's changed, but even if it is the way I remember it, changing presidents (or unions) only gives another person that A5 benefit.

 

[jimntx]

LG has no stake in this vote having received lifetime benefits from the company.
 
DP has taken a page out of the LUS 2nd bankruptcy when Jerry Glass made a back door deal with the union president TX.
 
This leadership does not care and will be gone.
 
This leadership needs to be stripped of all benefits for not standing up to this management
 
Now is the time to raise bloody murder with this manegement but not a peep.
 
You will not get lifetime benefits.
 
AAmateurs.

Taking Facebook posts as gospel again, are we? I don't know where you got the MIS-information that LG gets lifetime A5 travel benefits, but you are spreading a lie. The President of the APFA gets A5 travel. When LG is no longer the President, her successor takes over that little bennie.

 

[eolesen]

Yeah, not so sure that's exactly the case, Jim. At AA, it used to be that when you retire from the company, you'd keep the pass classification you were in at the date of retirement. I know Ed Koziatek did when he retired while still being TWU pres, not sure about Jim Little.

There hasn't been an APA president who has survived in office long enough to actually reach retirement age.

Didn't Denise Hedges retire and keep her A5?

 

[jimntx]

Haven't a clue.  But, how often does that retirement trick occur?  LG is at least 5 years from retirement.  I don't think she will be hanging around as APFA president for that long.  I can't imagine she would be that masochistic.

 

[Bob Owens]

A union that let's this kind of statement go unchallenged is hardly a union.
 
This kind of gaffe ala Delta DUI should be exploited.
 
DP is not your friend so don't go to thier weddings!!!!
 
"It's just not the right way to pay 100,000 employees that do't have that much impact on the daily profits" DP
 
Where is the union in positioning themselves on this statement?
 
Does LG get lifetime benefits no matter the outcome of a vote?
 
If she does that is wrong.
 
It's not just wrong it's collusion.
 
Then it should be criminal.

The A5 goes to the APA and TWU as well.
 
What really troubled me with the TWU is the Pension deal where certain TWU officials who controlled the contract  get a pension from AA based on what the TWU paid them, not what they would be making as a worker. So Little, Videtich and Gless will be getting pensions from AA based on their six figure TWU pay and not based on dispatcher and mechanic pay. (They also receive a pension from the TWU.) During BK we had to give more in concessions to have the company freeze rather than terminate the pensions because their pensions would be way over the $55k cap. So 25000 employees took a hit so a handful of TWU officials wouldn't.
 
That should be criminal.

 

[JAFA]

The A5 goes to the APA and TWU as well.
 
What really troubled me with the TWU is the Pension deal where certain TWU officials who controlled the contract  get a pension from AA based on what the TWU paid them, not what they would be making as a worker. So Little, Videtich and Gless will be getting pensions from AA based on their six figure TWU pay and not based on dispatcher and mechanic pay. (They also receive a pension from the TWU.) During BK we had to give more in concessions to have the company freeze rather than terminate the pensions because their pensions would be way over the $55k cap. So 25000 employees took a hit so a handful of TWU officials wouldn't.
 
That should be criminal.

 
No Bob, just no.  I am in way defending The Worst Union as we all know how corrupt it is, but this part is not what happened and we both know it.  It was the PBGC who threatened to sue and interfere with the Chapter 11 and eventually the merger if AA had dumped all the pensions on them.  The TWU may have also had it's own selfish reasons to side with the PBGC, but never forget it was the PBGC that drove the issue. 
 
http://www.pionline.com/article/20120507/ONLINE/120509906/american-airlines-pbgc-strike-deal-on-pension-plans-freeze

 

[Bob Owens]

 
No Bob, just no.  I am in way defending The Worst Union as we all know how corrupt it is, but this part is not what happened and we both know it.  It was the PBGC who threatened to sue and interfere with the Chapter 11 and eventually the merger if AA had dumped all the pensions on them.  The TWU may have also had it's own selfish reasons to side with the PBGC, but never forget it was the PBGC that drove the issue. 
 
http://www.pionline.com/article/20120507/ONLINE/120509906/american-airlines-pbgc-strike-deal-on-pension-plans-freeze

The PBGC threatened to reveal what a farce the whole BK filing was. Yes they could have "interfered" with Chapter 11 and that would have been better for us. Over $5 billion in cash, 500 new planes on order, every creditor made 100% or more whole, except labor. The only people who got screwed was the workers. The merger stuff came later, Little figured out a way to screw us yet again.
 
Had AA insisted on terminating the plans the PBGC would have been putting in a $9 billion dollar claim. They would own AA and every other creditor would have been forced to accept less than 100%. As for us the pension would have satisfied the ask, and then some with the PBGCs figures. Yes the PBGC threatened to disrupt the orgy, too bad they didn't, if they had we wouldn't have been screwed as badly. . 

 

[737823]

Haven't a clue.  But, how often does that retirement trick occur?  LG is at least 5 years from retirement.  I don't think she will be hanging around as APFA president for that long.  I can't imagine she would be that masochistic.

So will she alo with Greg Gunter and the others return to the line?

Josh

 

[Bob Owens]

  LG is at least 5 years from retirement.  I don't think she will be hanging around as APFA president for that long.  

I hope she does. As I've said before I think she has been a good leader. From what I've read here the gap between her membership and even SWA compensation is narrow. Sure she made some mistakes during the push to get rid of Horton by signing the deal with Parker but to err is human. The challenge is to see how she reacts to what she has in front of her now. How does she make sure that her members do not get screwed by the arbitrator. (you seem hopeful that they do just so you can say "told you so", a luxury that people in low cost areas have)  I still think that all the Unions have a stake in making sure the FAs get profit sharing, so we all do. I think she should start pickets around the country and make it known that she welcomes the support of other unions on the property, and we should give her full support. I also think that any decision that extends the agreement beyond 2016 is presumptuous on the part of the arbitrator and the APFA should insist that any agreement that does not have at the very least what the FAs rejected, is unacceptable to the entire group and one without Profit sharing is unacceptable to the majority and will negatively affect the business relationship between American and its Flight Attendants, for many years.
 
 
In BK we were not given credit for the value of the contract on a total basis but rather just an annual one, so claiming the the 2018 date is non negotiable is false (unless the FAs explicitly agreed to that in their pre merger deal with Parker). If they can negotiate a Joint agreement that extends the contract then its stands that they can negotiate and agreement that shortens it and there can be no argument that the conditions have changed since that agreement was struck. We all had agreements in place when the company came to us and said "things have changed and we need to change the agreements", it has to work both ways. 

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Haven't a clue.

Do you know what she gets if she retires while president?
 
Where is it written for retired union leaders? In the constitution?
 
A serious question.
 
Thanks.

 

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