International Aviation

[ITRADE]

Where did I state that I am willing to let anybody else make decisions for the United States?

You flap your arms up and down like a chicken with a wolf in the henhouse when you read that the "EU Presses Nations on Open Skies Deal," and you immediately assumed that the E.U. (apparently a "globalist" entity; likely also a member of the Trilateral Commission and founder member of the Order of the Illuminati), was stripping the U.S. of its sovereign rights.

You wrote, "Just another shot of 'Globalism' at the U.S.......'Sovereignty' of the U.S. continues to erode..." This would clearly mean that the erosion has already commenced, as was butressed by your references to the GATT. So, clearly you believe that the conspiracy is already under way, yet you want to argue for sake of arguing.

 

[mweiss]

You fellas seem to be OK with handing this power over.

I certainly have no problem with the nations of Europe forming a confederacy that is somewhere in between what governed the thirteen states on this continent for about a decade. Nor do I have a problem even if they decide to do as our nation did in 1787, replacing the confederacy with a federal system.

And GATT is a treaty. It is the governmental equivalent to something you might be more familiar with...a contract. The goal of a contract is to provide both parties with mutually beneficial, mutually agreed rules of engagement. Since you don't seem to like treaties much, perhaps you'd prefer to work without a contract...

 

[Bud8EE]

Trying to do a ggogle search and find an OP ED thatt Alan Keys did for the WSJ on GATT, WTO, NAFTA, the UN and surrender of US Sovereignty. It was pretty good and tears down ITRADE's view of globalization. ALan Keys certainly doesn't operate from the left.

 

[ITRADE]

And you know how many Republicans voted for Alan Keyes in 2000?

 

[mweiss]

I looked. Couldn't find it. Could you post a link?

 

[cavalier]

And you know how many Republicans voted for Alan Keyes in 2000?

No I don't.

How many and why?

I think Keys makes a lot of sense.

 

[High Iron]

...And GATT is a treaty

IIRC, does not a treaty technically overrule the US' own laws? The Bricker amendment was to address this but it was stillborn as I recall.

Since you don't seem to like treaties much, perhaps you'd prefer to work without a contract...

If that aint a red herring, I don't know what is... ( other than an actual fish )

 

[insp89]

weiss & Itrade, You fellas telling me that you do not see a move towards "Globalism" in the world we live in ?? [that's been going on for decades] ? You guys don't see that BOTH political parties are one in the same when it comes to International policy ??? You guys need to close those books for a few minutes and see what is going on in this world around you... Remember George Sr, [new world order], [thousands points of light] ?? Forget what your professors told you, Think for yourselves..

 

[mweiss]

IIRC, does not a treaty technically overrule the US' own laws?

Only in a strange sense.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

A treaty, per the Constitution, is the US's own laws. Furthermore, since it must be passed by Congress, it is no different than any other law that is executed by the executive branch.

Just as with the regulatory powers of the executive branch, any body empowered by treaty is a regulatory body, and may only enact regulations within the confines established by the law passed by Congress. Just as with the regulatory officers, treaty-empowered body members are not elected officials.

Since you don't seem to like treaties much, perhaps you'd prefer to work without a contract...
If that aint a red herring, I don't know what is...

Not at all. Contracts are good because they reduce misunderstanding and increase predictability. Treaties do precisely the same thing. Why on earth are they bad things?

 

[insp89]

No I don't.

How many and why?

I think Keys makes a lot of sense.

I also think Keys stated a lot of TRUTH.

 

[mweiss]

You fellas telling me that you do not see a move towards "Globalism" in the world we live in ??

Well, I can't speak for ITRADE, but while I do find that there is an increase in international negotiation and agreement (which is a result primarily of the lessons learned in the first half of the twentieth century), I don't buy the Trilateral/black helicopter/aliens being kept under DEN/intergalactic conspiracy stuff.

 

[High Iron]

Not at all. Contracts are good because they reduce misunderstanding and increase predictability. Treaties do precisely the same thing. Why on earth are they bad things?

That was not my point, but maybe I was too subtle. By interchanging treaty with contract you made a cute attempt at making insp89's position on international treaties ( vis a vis the US ) sound hypocritical, just because he works under a company/union contract. It was a cheap shot that seemed more intent on "winning" a debate ( if only by sophistry ) than a discussion of an issue.

 

[insp89]

Well, I can't speak for ITRADE, but while I do find that there is an increase in international negotiation and agreement (which is a result primarily of the lessons learned in the first half of the twentieth century), I don't buy the Trilateral/black helicopter/aliens being kept under DEN/intergalactic conspiracy stuff.

Weiss, Who said anything about black helicopters, aliens, whatever ?? FOCUS on the questions.

 

[mweiss]

It was a cheap shot that seemed more intent on "winning" a debate ( if only by sophistry ) than a discussion of an issue.

It could have been, but it's not. Quite the contrary. I think it's worth looking at why it is that one benefits from a contract, and then apply it to the national level. It's a different perspective, but a worthwhile endeavor.

 

[mweiss]

Weiss, Who said anything about black helicopters, aliens, whatever ?? FOCUS on the questions.

Well, then, perhaps you can explain how you differentiate between globalism (as in using a set of treaties among nations to manage international relations, rather than using bombs and armies), and "Globalism" (the one you always capitalize and put in quotation marks).