IBT lied

[Harvey]

following is an e mail from GT davis that he sent to the NMB read it and the reply from the NMB this is criminal we need to ask for David Bourns resignation.They lied to us to force us to vote yes on the TA.

My fellow Mechanics and Related, per the ibt they submitted a letter to the NMB requesting we go to mediation to negotiate as a standalone carrier, (UAL) and not an amalgamated negotiations. As the ibt dressed this as something the NMB could dictate to us we have waited for their decision. About a month ago the ibt Airline Division Director, “Captain David Bourne” announced at the SFO quarterly meeting that we should receive a decision from the NMB any day. After a couple of weeks I grew restless waiting and decided to write the NMB myself and seek out a possible decision. Below is the NMB’s response to my question. Both emails, mine to the NMB and their response are below. Again, the ibt has created a questionable situation that makes us question their credibility. In short, the NMB states that it is the IBT who determines whether we negotiate as a standalone carrier (UAL) or an amalgamated negotiations. So now we shall wait and see what the ibt’s response will be.


From: Info Line [mailto:infoline@nmb.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:40 PM
To: GT Davis
Subject: Davis - Single UAL-CAl Agreement

Mr. Davis:

Since both the Continental and United Mechanics are represented by the IBT, it is up to the IBT to move forward to negotiate a single agreement with the carrier. The NMB doesn’t make that decision.

From: GT Davis [mailto:gtd53@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:54 PM
To: Info Line
Subject: UAL Case Number A-13605

I am a United Airlines Mechanic and we are interested if the NMB made a decision to whether the company and our union the IBT will be negotiating an amalgamated contract for the Continental and UAL Mechanics and Related or negotiating a single contract for the UAL Mechanics and Related only. Thank you for your attention.

 

[Harvey]

just got out of the union hall here at SFO showed them your post they say your full of crap and a liar.

 

[gtd]

just got out of the union hall here at SFO showed them your post they say your full of crap and a liar.

I'm not surprised. I asked for an official letter but you can email them yourself and you'll get the same answer. This was foretold by Lee Seham, a labor lawyer as I wrote about a few months ago. The ibt has no shame.

 

[Go Figure]

Any further updates?? What new related facts have been released relative to this topic? The cat has obviously got someones tongue.

 

[gtd]

Any further updates?? What new related facts have been released relative to this topic? The cat has obviously got someones tongue.

Visit The-UALMechanics.com and go into the forum under AMFA Vs IBT and click on Truth or Lies then click onto Issue 8 at the bottom. I tried to attach but it says the file is too big.

 

[xUT]

Visit The-UALMechanics.com and go into the forum under AMFA Vs IBT and click on Truth or Lies then click onto Issue 8 at the bottom. I tried to attach but it says the file is too big.

-->> Try This

 

[Go Figure]

Get on board.You can not fight from five different sides. That is what has been wrong with the UAL group. Ther are multiple different factions happening and if this contract is going to be successful we have to start pulling together. Your past history and expierience got you guys where you are at. Can you learn from the past infighting or are you going to destroy yourselves within. I am amazed that you guys have not figured it out yet after all you guys have been thru. Keep it up and you are destined for ultimate failure. I just hope your negativism and infighting does not spill over and take everyone down. Good luck.

 

[gtd]

Get on board.You can not fight from five different sides. That is what has been wrong with the UAL group. Ther are multiple different factions happening and if this contract is going to be successful we have to start pulling together. Your past history and expierience got you guys where you are at. Can you learn from the past infighting or are you going to destroy yourselves within. I am amazed that you guys have not figured it out yet after all you guys have been thru. Keep it up and you are destined for ultimate failure. I just hope your negativism and infighting does not spill over and take everyone down. Good luck.

You're wrong. We all agree..... the ibt must go.

 

[SSR25]

Get on board.You can not fight from five different sides. That is what has been wrong with the UAL group. Ther are multiple different factions happening and if this contract is going to be successful we have to start pulling together. Your past history and expierience got you guys where you are at. Can you learn from the past infighting or are you going to destroy yourselves within. I am amazed that you guys have not figured it out yet after all you guys have been thru. Keep it up and you are destined for ultimate failure. I just hope your negativism and infighting does not spill over and take everyone down. Good luck.

First the past is who is now and has alway controlled the furture. The leaders in the IBT for UAL are the same as the IAM of the past who gave us the ESOP and other give backs contracts. The IAM new officials are the same AMFA officials that kept a system that made all locals infight against each others. We during the AMFA move wanted to be consider profesionals like are brothers in the pilot unions but the charter of AMFA created indepent groups and not one strong voice. The company knows the turn out of the membership to meeting and our current and past union direction has been made by a few and not heard the voice of the many. So if kicking the IBT in the mouth starts to get them to listen to the membership thats a good thing. Did you ever think why we vote down so many T/A's and they are so confused why it happened. Dave Saucedo stop going to International and line groups when at SFO because they complained and held him accountable. You have to take the good with the bad. Thats the problem with are current officals, they just want to ignore the issues and hope they go away.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Its obvious the IBT lied.

Just one more black mark to add to their list of failures at UAL.

They will be removed.

 

[xUT]

IMHO,

The ibt will never be removed. They played their hand very skillfully with full knowledge that pissed off (Lifetime Recall) Indy M&R (NMB and IBT Cards) voted out AMFA and they will “NEVER” have a chance to vote again. The ibt spent a lot of money going door to door for their signature through ‘LIES’, knowing full well that the Lifetime Recall will be thrown out the window in the next contract.

But UAL M&R has never been very cohesive and/or cognitive.

Get used to the ibt way as it will be with you for many years.

B) xUT

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

IMHO,

The ibt will never be removed. They played their hand very skillfully with full knowledge that pissed off (Lifetime Recall) Indy M&R (NMB and IBT Cards) voted out AMFA and they will “NEVER” have a chance to vote again. The ibt spent a lot of money going door to door for their signature through ‘LIES’, knowing full well that the Lifetime Recall will be thrown out the window in the next contract.

But UAL M&R has never been very cohesive and/or cognitive.

Get used to the ibt way as it will be with you for many years.

B) xUT

If they somehow sneak the next contract through with those seniority provisions intact, then perhaps you're right.

However, since that has yet to happen, I choose to fight. There is alot more in play right now than is generally known.

We shall see.

 

[xUT]

If they somehow sneak the next contract through with those seniority provisions intact, then perhaps you're right.

However, since that has yet to happen, I choose to fight. There is alot more in play right now than is generally known.

We shall see.

As Always, I wish you Guys N'Gals all the best.
"IF" I were still there, I would be handing out cards for 'EVERY UNION' with the exception of the ibt or the twu.
The IBT 'will' screw you.

IMHO, we should have stayed IAM, and now they are the logical choice.

Take Care,
B) xUT