Hypocrisy from TWU-ATD

[TWU informer]

members should not be denied the right to choose whichever union they want

Unless of course the members vote would afford them the chance to LEAVE the TWU.

The TWU ATD included deceased, retired, fired, and other classifications which DENIED THE MEMBERS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHICHEVER UNION THEY WANTED when AMFA petitioned the National Mediation Board for a vote for the Mechanic and Related at AA

READ THE HYPOCRITS IN ACTION!!!

AFL-CIO Ruling Comparable to “Union Busting" - Friday, June 23, 2006 at 07:18


Dallas -- Transport Workers Union (TWU) Local 556 representing Southwest Airlines flight attendants announced today that it will continue to support the efforts of the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA) to affiliate with the TWU despite an order from the AFL-CIO to end all assistance.

PFAA and TWU have explored an affiliation agreement beginning in September 2005 when Northwest Airlines filed for bankruptcy. A vote on the proposed affiliation by Northwest flight attendants is scheduled to begin on June 8. Over the past nine months, TWU has supported the flight attendants campaign with legal, financial and other forms of support.

Another AFL-CIO affiliate, AFA-CWA, however, initiated an organizational raid on the Northwest flight attendants the same day the airline filed for bankruptcy, and has continued to interfere in the flight attendants contract negotiations with Northwest’s management during the critical bankruptcy proceedings. A National Mediation Board representational election is scheduled to run concurrently with the PFAA-TWU affiliation vote.

The AFA-CWA demanded and received an AFL-CIO subcommittee decision on Wednesday ordering the Transport Workers Union (TWU) to cease “any financial or other assistance†for PFAA and the NWA Flight Attendants,†and granting AFA-CWA exclusive rights to organize the NWA flight attendant group.

“Northwest Airlines flight attendants should not be denied the right to choose whichever union they want,†said Thom McDaniel, President of TWU Local 556. “When management denies employees the right to organize it is called “union busting†and when the AFL-CIO takes this position, it is just wrong.â€

TWU Local 556 has worked with both AFL-CIO-affiliated and non-affiliated unions on flight attendant and airline issues. “I have a tremendous amount of respect for the flight attendants of AFA-CWA, however their leadership has taken the position that they are the only union that can represent flight attendants,†said McDaniel, “While AFA-CWA represents the largest number of flight attendants in our industry, the fact is that TWU Local 556 currently has the best contract in the industry. Northwest flight attendants deserve the right to choose and neither AFA-CWA nor the AFL-CIO can deny them that right.â€

TWU Local 556 represents the 8,400 flight attendants at Southwest Airlines and recently, after a two year battle, negotiated the leading contract in the airline industry. PFAA represents 9,000 flight attendants at Northwest Airlines.

Transport Workers Union Local 556 represents nearly 8,400 flight attendants at Southwest Airlines. Southwest flight attendants are affiliated with both the Transport Workers Union of America and the AFL-CIO.




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[Bob Owens]

Sad to see how McDaniel has become a typical TWU stooge. McDaniel left out the fact that they work in the same company that has the highest paid mechanics in the airline industry, represented by AMFA, and the highest paid 737 pilots in the industry. He supported the TWU Internationals removal of officers who resisted the concessions and called for Littles removal, officers who were elected by their members, yet here he has the gall to complain about democracy denied!

 

[Garfield1966]

Teh only thing that seems to make sense is that you gyus join unions so that you can be pissed off. It seems like that is what gives you a reason to wake up each morning and get out.

What ever floats your boat I guess. I would think you would be able to find more motivating hobbies.

 

[Hopeful]

Teh only thing that seems to make sense is that you gyus join unions so that you can be pissed off. It seems like that is what gives you a reason to wake up each morning and get out.

What ever floats your boat I guess. I would think you would be able to find more motivating hobbies.

There are many benefits to joining a union. Seniority is a primary concern. We bid shifts, days off and vacations based on our length of service. We get furhloughed based on our length of service.
Otherwise, a company might decide which "ass-kissers" get to have weekends off, day shift and summer vacation. Hell, they might decide the 35 year veteran who doesn't move to fast should be the one laid off.

Maybe in the management world, you accept an older worker being forced out the door because his/her age has become a factor.

Maybe you think the world would be a much better place without unions because management could be dictators over the peasants.
Unions were formed because of the sweat shops that mangagemnt ran decades ago.

And to answer your comment that we join unions so we can be pissed off. Well, you are correct to a point. In a real union, if the members are unhappy, they vote out their local leadership and officers. We can readily get pissed at the way the local is run, but can you get pissed at bad executive management decisions?
No, you have to suck it up and shut your mouths like good little corporate staffers looking for that next promotion and raise.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Teh only thing that seems to make sense is that you gyus join unions so that you can be pissed off.

I joined the union because it was mandatory. I was anti union, in my youthful ignorance, having only worked for pretty good companies. Early on, AA did not seem to need a union, either, but things changed. Now, I am a Union Man. The benefits of union membership at AA outweigh the drawbacks.

Life is a balancing act, full of compromises. There are few absolutes.

 

[eolesen]

The TWU is telling the AFL-CIO to piss off, yet all ye who detest the AFL-CIO almost as much as you detest the TWU are complaining about it?...

I didn't hear any of you malcontents complaining about the forced merger of the AFA into the CWA two years ago, yet because the TWU is involved in trying to do the same thing with PFAA, you immediately cry foul...

Even a broken watch is correct twice a day, and this just might be that time as far as the TWU is concerned.

If you're the self-respecting unionists you all claim to be, perhaps you should take away the initials and look at the facts...

The representation vote could result in decertification. I would think that has to be a far worse outcome from an organized labor standpoint than a vote over whether or not the current union should be permitted to merge with another union.

Either way, I find it extremely hypocritical to see AMFA supporters (all of whom claim that the member's right to vote is what sets AMFA apart from the TWU) complaining about the TWU actually sticking up for the right of the PFAA members to be able to vote on their future.

 

[AMFAMAN]

The representation vote could result in decertification. I would think that has to be a far worse outcome from an organized labor standpoint than a vote over whether or not the current union should be permitted to merge with another union.

The only way a representational vote could end in no union is if 50% + 1 of the eligible craft and class don't vote for any union. The most recent and one of only a handful of votes that resulted in no union was with the twu at Delta. The pilot instructors voted the twu in, and after they found out how much they sucked, they petitioned the NMB with one of the instructors name as the challenge union, and then nobody voted. End result, they went back to non-union. This is of course with only a 20 or so people. It has never happened with a large craft and class such as the F/A's. These people can write in the twu if they want, worst case is they end up in a run-off between the 2 highest vote getters if they all end up with less then 50%. Everything else is just twu fear bs.

 

[Hackman]

The TWU is telling the AFL-CIO to piss off, yet all ye who detest the AFL-CIO almost as much as you detest the TWU are complaining about it?...

I didn't hear any of you malcontents complaining about the forced merger of the AFA into the CWA two years ago, yet because the TWU is involved in trying to do the same thing with PFAA, you immediately cry foul...

Even a broken watch is correct twice a day, and this just might be that time as far as the TWU is concerned.

If you're the self-respecting unionists you all claim to be, perhaps you should take away the initials and look at the facts...

The representation vote could result in decertification. I would think that has to be a far worse outcome from an organized labor standpoint than a vote over whether or not the current union should be permitted to merge with another union.

Either way, I find it extremely hypocritical to see AMFA supporters (all of whom claim that the member's right to vote is what sets AMFA apart from the TWU) complaining about the TWU actually sticking up for the right of the PFAA members to be able to vote on their future.

Again, the AA management sh*t stirrer sticks his nose where it doesn't belong. Why don't you worry about your management world (crew screwing) and making this airline profitable? You have no dog in this fight, and your management opinions mean nothing. AA management assisted the twu in denying the AMFA vs twu representational vote for AA M@R, and now has an opinion on what's right and wrong with union voting proceedures and union member rights? Can I get a loud BULLSH*T??? :down: :angry: :down:

First, the twu has no business interupting the PFAA and the representational vote for the AFA. Its all about twu dues, and the PFAA officers are looking for the big twu salaries for themselves Jimmy Do-little promised them. The NWA flight attendants don't want the twu involved, Guy Meek and the PFAA officers do. This isn't a "forced merger" idiot, this is a representational vote at NWA.

Second, the only way a decertification can take place is if no one votes. This is highly unlikely, I have never heard of this occurring. This again shows your ignorance in union matters.

Third, if the twu wants to get in the vote, then get the cards to be on the ballot. Instead, Jimmy Do-little tries to back door the PFAA membership by "affiliating" with the PFAA. This way the membership has no voice in the matter, which is what the twu is famous for. Of course that's the way AA management likes it, right FM?

Before you call anyone here a hypocrite or a malcontents, you had better look in the mirror, and at your AA management friends and its toy union, the twu.

 

[Bill]

FM hit it right on the head, company man or not. Every time the TWU does something you amfa fans are crying big time. Informer knew just what he was doing when he posted that article. He twists and contorts it to fit his "cause".

FM, don't know how long you've been around, but these amfa wannabes have been boo-hooing for years now. Ever since they lost their vote against the TWU they bi##ch and moan about every little thing. They'll bring up all kinds of allegations but bottom line....THEY LOST!!! It gets old really. Especially now that amfa has really proven themselves to be basically worthless. They don't want to admit they were wrong all along so they keep taking pot shots to bash the TWU. Have they mentioned they were in favor of BK at AA and eery where else?? That they were followers of the almighty Delle/McCormick (the real estate giants!!). Thousands upon thousands of jobs lost under amfa watch, work going over seas, pensions gone forever. But NOOOOOOO, they don't want to talk about amfa's faults. You notice they never did come back with a response when I put up facts about amfa and their practices.

Let them have their fun but luckily most of us here on this board are used to their antics.

Get ready....just sit back and watch it fly if you don't believe me!!



Let me help......so, how did you wannabes enjoy the Town Hall Meeting? Don't remember seeing many of you there. HMMM??? We had quite the turnout I thought. Maybe you can make the next one!!

 

[TWU informer]

Let me help......so, how did you wannabes enjoy the Town Hall Meeting? Don't remember seeing many of you there. HMMM??? We had quite the turnout I thought. Maybe you can make the next one!!

Are you talking about the Town Hall Meeting where they discussed over manned conditions in Turbine Building and CAM Building and a Shortage in the Hangars?

The one where the TWU Local President clearly stated they did not want to follow the Labor Agreement to resolve this problem? Instead, they want the ass-kissers in the PLT's to decide how to handle this?

Yeah, I was there, and was completed in shock that the TWU Labor Agreement was used as a threat to be implemented if another option cannot be agreed upon.

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!! I was there, and witnessed the whole boot licking event.

They keep claiming there has been NO JOB LOSS, yet not one died, fired, or retired has been replaced for 3+ years.

The representation vote could result in decertification. I would think that has to be a far worse outcome from an organized labor standpoint than a vote over whether or not the current union should be permitted to merge with another union.

Either way, I find it extremely hypocritical to see AMFA supporters (all of whom claim that the member's right to vote is what sets AMFA apart from the TWU) complaining about the TWU actually sticking up for the right of the PFAA members to be able to vote on their future.

If the vote resulted in decertification, it would be the will of the majority, and all though that would be sad, I still find it very un-American to avoid a vote because you fear the outcome.

I am not complaining about the TWU sticking up for the vote of the member at all, simply read the topic heading and you will clearly see I am complaining about the hypocrisy.

WE are currently working under a without further ratification labor agreement. Not one of us has ever been given a ballot to vote for or against Jim Little, member elected union officials have been removed from office by dictators, and a union hall has been built in Tulsa even though members voted three times against doing so.

And now, because they favor a membership vote when it means more dues money for dictators you want to claim that they now are changing to a favorable position? Thats BS in its purest form!

It is you, the AA Management TWU defender that has twisted the facts.

Isn't it intersting that more AA Management defend the TWU than do dues payers to the organization. Can you say COMPANY UNION?

 

[Garfield1966]

There are many benefits to joining a union. Seniority is a primary concern. We bid shifts, days off and vacations based on our length of service. We get furhloughed based on our length of service.
Otherwise, a company might decide which "ass-kissers" get to have weekends off, day shift and summer vacation. Hell, they might decide the 35 year veteran who doesn't move to fast should be the one laid off.

Maybe in the management world, you accept an older worker being forced out the door because his/her age has become a factor.

Maybe you think the world would be a much better place without unions because management could be dictators over the peasants.
Unions were formed because of the sweat shops that mangagemnt ran decades ago.

And to answer your comment that we join unions so we can be pissed off. Well, you are correct to a point. In a real union, if the members are unhappy, they vote out their local leadership and officers. We can readily get pissed at the way the local is run, but can you get pissed at bad executive management decisions?
No, you have to suck it up and shut your mouths like good little corporate staffers looking for that next promotion and raise.

Been with AA for nearly 20 years and I have always bid shifts/vacation etc by seniority. Layoff/s terminations are based on work performance. When we had the terminations in 2002, there were no surprises. We all knew who would not be showing up for work the next day. I cannot think of a one who did not deserve it. Never seen anyone forced out because of their age (although I am sure it does happen). My guess is any lawyer worth his salt would be able to reverse that with out much of an issue. I have reviews on a yearly basis as we all do. If there are issues with my performance, it will not be a surprise if someone escorts me out the door.

I can no more vote Arpey out of a job than you can. Thing is, I don’t get screwed by a group I pay dues to as well as the company I work for. By raise is based on my performance. Given my penchant for speaking my mind about bone head decisions, it’s a good thing too.

Just seems to me that unions have become more problems than they are worth. Every thread I have read on this board seems to deride one union or another. Corrupt union leaders, leaders who do not do what their rank and file what. Considering that a huge majority of the US work force is underrepresented and we all seem to be getting by just fine (I have never had the need for one) and we do not have to pay a few hundred dollars a year either. Just does not see m like you are getting your monies worth to me.

 

[eolesen]

Sorry, but I'm not AA management anymore, so I finally get to speak my mind as a customer and shareholder, who has every right to comment on the companies which earn my money.

Please, though, do keep trying to deflect attention from your own failures with the various AMFA raid attempts by smearing the union that more people within your class and craft obviously prefer.


After surviving 15 years of management layoffs with AA, I agree with Garfield that there were few surprises. None of those people were fired by management -- they fired themselves thru their own actions, be it incompetence, arrogence or downright laziness.

 

[TWU informer]

Sorry, but I'm not AA management anymore, so I finally get to speak my mind as a customer and shareholder, who has every right to comment on the companies which earn my money.

Sounds like the denial that Plane Business was associated with AA

Please, though, do keep trying to deflect attention from your own failures with the various AMFA raid attempts by smearing the union that more people within your class and craft obviously prefer.

DO you have a voter tally to prove that allegation?

 

[eolesen]

Sounds like the denial that Plane Business was associated with AA

Sorry, but do you have proof of that allegation? Or is this yet another example of the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that you and your cronies use whenever you can't convince people to follow you?

I know you're still pissed off that Holly exercised her right to kick you off her website, but since you probably weren't a paying subscriber, you have absolutely no room for complaining. And that's something I'm sure she'd be willing to confirm just to shut you up.

 

[TWU informer]

Sorry, but do you have proof of that allegation? Or is this yet another example of the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that you and your cronies use whenever you can't convince people to follow you?

I know you're still pissed off that Holly exercised her right to kick you off her website, but since you probably weren't a paying subscriber, you have absolutely no room for complaining. And that's something I'm sure she'd be willing to confirm just to shut you up.

Hmmm, I'll take the fifth on the proof for now.

Someday, when I am not an employee anymore, will discuss this again.

Until then, I am man debating with one arm tied behind my back.

BTW, I am not asking anyone to follow me anywhere on anything.

My hate for the TWU goes much deeper than support for a change of union representation or anything else on the planet for that matter