Human Factors Etc.

[Rosco]

Chuck,

I gotta agree with CTD.

Not like we know each other, but based on some of your stories, pictures and 50 years of worldwide experience coupled with a flawless safety record, you have so much more to offer. The upcoming pilots could learn something from guys such as yourself, CTD, 407Driver and the like.

Keep it positive and keep your chin up Dude. You'll beat this especially after beating the other things you mentioned. Don't let it make you sick.

Cheers

R

 

[Blackmac]

Dr. Charles, I can appreciate some of the people are getting tired of hearing about your ongoing battle with TC. I for one couldn't care less, you are allowd to express an opinion on your battle with the M&M in yvr.

At times it does get a little boring, but from another perspective you have earned the right to be able to vent your frustration somewhere, and if not amongst a bunch of buddies, were else.

Nobody has the right to negate anything you have said so far, even the CARS expert.

There is always the option of not reading your posts and for that matter anybodies.

So keep on trucking buddy and tell us some war stories when you gat a chance.

I am having my own battle with HRDC trying to get funding for HEPAC.
I guess I'll just have to open A GoLf course, no problem getting funding for that.

If I remember correctly you are from down east, bluenoser I beleive.

We will all have to learn how to "Rant and Roar like true Newfoundlanders", they've had it made since they joined confederation.

Cheers Don

 

[MagSeal]

I feel so dirty.... :wacko:

I actually agree with Blackmac.

 

[Louie]

Chuck

Maybe you need a drink ???

 

[Charles W.]

Louie:

Believe me there was a day that would have been what would have happened.

And you can bet your ass there a few people that wish I would have a few now.

Jeeses where does the time go?

The last drink I had was in early January of 1985............

Then I went to the Shick Shadel hospital for alcholics.....cost me 12 thousand dollars but saved my life.

Chuck

 

[Louie]

good on ya Chuck.

.forget dot they don't deserve that much attention, ignore them and do your thing, who the hell are they to say you can't start a business and run it like you see fit., tell em to piss off, you would'nt be the first one to change the rules on the field..

:hide:

 

[Biggles]

I've been following this wondering if I should jump in. The comraderie, solidarity, and moreover the honesty is amazing period. Only we can shoot our own, yet, we continuously defend, standby and support our own and no one can take that away. Only in this business I say.

So Rev. Chuck, its no secret that I've supported and understood your position since the start. We all did in one way or another. As Helicopper use to say (took me a while to remember it) "Nunquam concedo" at any cost.

Now, if I had a squillion dollars, I'd get my Biggles Butt out west and have you teach me what you know, any specials for identical yard apes?

 

[Charles W.]

Thanks Biggs:

It has been worth the losses money wise to have at least tried.....

It was very difficult to deal with some of the negativity and outright meanness displayed by a few..........

The bright side is that there was only a few...

I guess the hardest part is having to expose my short commings publicly to try and gain some credibility, but anyone who knows me knows what dumb things I have done in the past.......

Did you notice though that no one denied that my record as an aviator / mechanic was ever in question, and that of course is what it was all about between me and a few pricks that did me in TC....

Thankfully they also are in the minority in that end of the business..

Now I had better step back or I will be pissing off to many people again.

Any time you are out this way I would be honored to take you flying, and that goes for your apes also..

Chuck

 

[MagSeal]

Chuck, you have my support. I read back a bit and it dismayed me to see a post indicating that your dilemma has absolutely nothing to do with human factors. I disagree. Everything a person does from the moment they wake, until the moment they sleep, is a factor in the outcome of the days journey. Your situation with TC obviously affects you to a degree that most likely occupies your thoughts for a better part of everyday. In that regard, human factors plays it's part. Forget about the minor majority who thinks they know it all. They haven't got a clue.
Keep up your fight as long as you feel the need.
Those who want to listen, will. Those who don't can take a walk...a long, far walk. Past winnepeg, and further north....just keep going....please.

 

[Charles W.]

Thanks Magseal :

Finally....finally someone is making the connection that I was trying to make with regard to the human factors issue.

I am sending a copy of the Bonita Smith Report to one of our members that requested a copy to scan for the industry to read.

When you read that report you will find a genuine Transport Canada tax payer paid for internal report of how the very same paople whom I am exposing treat their own.

It goes beond hyprocacy it is wrong, wrong, wrong to have this kind of brutal souless type of sociopaths in charge of any TC department.

In short human factors must be adheered to within the regulator or they can not expect anyone else to conform to the guidelines.

And I promised everyone I would quit............there goes my credibility on that .....

Chuck

 

[Biggles]

Rev C:

I firmly believe that no one on this planet has at least one time or another or franky many times, done "dumb" things. I would probably make it on the top ten list myself - no make that a certainity. Its takes a very big person to admit and carry on, to remember and avoid or confront a next time. I was once told that no tree is greater than the one that has curves, crooked branches, turned up leaves, color and character. You Rev. have an undisputeable knowledge of life lessons, an experience that only we can envy for now. No one can take that away and that is probably one of the many reasons why your career as an aviator has never been disputed. Your honesty, frankness, strength and conviction is very well comparable to one such as an oak. The roots of an oak run deep and strong.

What you may call losses are infact theirs for not having the intelligence to recogonzie a pillar. So, having said that, ta heck with 'em all, including those so called "few", their day will come.

Back to work for me (night shift) cuz I don't have them squillions yet!

 

[Airplay]

Sheesh...I think I'm gonna need an insulin shot to control all this sweetness...

Nobody is denying Chuckie his soapbox. He can spew all he wants as can I. That isn't the issue....its how EVERY SINGLE THREAD that gets started gets hijacked by the same old tired rhetoric that we've seen over and over and over and over....with no chnage, progress or end.

Feel free to continue to post it and expect me to continue to comment.

Chuck, I posted, and you had your haunches up immediately. 2 others posted (people you seem to respect at least more than me) and you immediately surrendered. Now after everything short of oral favours from various cheerleaders, you are invigorated again and ready to fight.

Why are you continuously looking for encouragement and acceptance in your quest? Why when you get the slightest negative response do you overreact?

I seriously think you need to seek professional help before this thing consumes you. I told you months ago, you should chose your fights carefully. It isn't worth destroying yourself. Maybe its time to let go for at least awhile. And maybe we can move on to something different....

Chuck, you have my support. I read back a bit and it dismayed me to see a post indicating that your dilemma has absolutely nothing to do with human factors.

In the context presented, it doesn't have anything to do with Human factors.

And just for your info Magseal, its spelled "Winnipeg". I wouldn't want you to miss the sign as you pass through....

 

[Charles W.]

#####.......

Once again allow me to explain why I find it difficult do accept your critism...

A year or so ago when I first posted my TC issue on the other forum, you in your first post, flat out stated that if TC was giving me a hard time I probably deserved it. Then you went further and made the inference I was another of those regulation breaking operators....That ##### was your first comment directed at a total stranger.

And that is what really makes you different from tne rest. In your mind I am just another outlaw and deserves anything TC sees fit to do.


If I have this all wrong , you will have to point out where I read you wrong.

Now back to the human factors thing.

Do you think that TC managers who brutalize not only their client but any of their own who do not cow to them has nothing to do with human factors in the workplace?

I expect you to at least answer that question.

Chuck

 

[Airplay]

A year or so ago when I first posted my TC issue on the other forum, you in your first post, flat out stated that if TC was giving me a hard time I probably deserved it.

Wrong. I stated that the biggest problem by far in Transport Canada was the regional disparity and not corruption. I further stated that for every shady TC inspector, there is a shady operator.

I did NOT imply that you personally were a shady operator, until several posts later. And even then I never stated it outright. And may I say that many a time it was in response to fairly rigorous peronal attacks.

Now that out of the way...

Do you think that TC managers who brutalize not only their client but any of their own who do not cow to them has nothing to do with human factors in the workplace?

Directly? We could argue that the death of a close family member would have a greater affect. Or even the loss of the ability to maintain an erection. How about alcoholism? How general do we want to get with this "human factors" term?

Human factors in the workplace typically deal with the following elements:

Lack of Communication
Complacency
Lack of Knowledge
Distraction
Lack of Teamwork
Fatigue
Lack of Resources
Pressure
Lack of Assertiveness
Stress
Lack of Awareness

These are typically addressed as elements of human factors that we generate ourselves. Not something someone induces. For instance, if someone bows to pressure from his/her boss, is it a human factors failing from the boss's point of view or the employee? You'll notice that "bullying" isn't on the list but "stress" and "pressure" is. You'll notice that "failure to provide resources" isn't on the list but "lack of resources" is.

That translates to an employee or worker being stressed because of an inability to deal with pressure.

We are all confronted on a daily basis with challenges. Some challenges we perceive as obstacles that are out of our control. You can pick just about any of the categories above as an element that would make one perceive such a situation.

If you address the element, for example by fixing the lack of communication, the challenge can be overcome. If it can't be overcome by any satisfying means then the entire issue must be re-examined and the merits of persuing it weighed against the advantages of just letting it go...

Now...does the perception that a TC inspector is treating you unfairly fall into one of the categories? It does if you let it. If the proper channels are followed using appropriate means, it shouldn't. That doesn't mean you should just roll over after the first kick at the can. But working within the system and/or working to improve the system within the framework will be much more productive.

I personally think the very public means you have used to air your differences with TC has just made things worse. Who on earth at TC would want to even work with you now? Can TC make someone work with you? If it stresses them too much are they under any obligation?

But...is your question as stated in the new context the same as what I was addressing in my first post? I don't think so.

The study material I am refeering to is the internal report on M&M the title is.

Business Review

Aircraft Maintenance and Manufacturing Division

Pacific Region

By: Bonita Smith

June 20, 2003

It is a must read if you are to ever fully understand why the industry is so lacking in consistancy and common sense.

You are introducing a report that you perceive as a failing of human factors. Human factors within the TC organisation. A pretty vague assessment in my opinion.

 

[Charles W.]

You are weaseling #####.

Quote:

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From the Smith report.

Generally, Inspectors have "a fear of reprisal" as some have been used as examples and feel their "actions are always under a microscope".

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That results in great stress for the Inspectors who are in that position.

Who would work with me in TC?

How about the ones who have been sending me these reports?

How about all the TC guys and gals who I have worked with for the past five decades and we had no problems between us?

Are you really suggesting that no one in TC would work with me because I wouldnt take crap form a couple of their Inspectors that are hated by their own subordinates?

Hey, ##### I bet there are even people who post here that would work with me.

Anyhow you and I are galaxies apart in our thinking.

Chuck